Canmore population to double? Legal battle?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

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But hey, Boomers need a weekend getaway, so it's all good. I don't really understand how there is so much support for second homes when so many can't afford a first.

Just want to set the record straight as this was the most alarming thing said in this thread (or the Israel war thread, for that matter). I'm not a boomer. Gen X...born in '76.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Just want to set the record straight as this was the most alarming thing said in this thread (or the Israel war thread, for that matter). I'm not a boomer. Gen X...born in '76.

I'm guessing Fuzz is 25 or something.

Everything is going to be Gen X's fault soon enough.

[Fuzz]

Oh, I'm GenX too, but the second home thing is a Boomer issue across the country. Sorry for the low blow.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Just want to set the record straight as this was the most alarming thing said in this thread (or the Israel war thread, for that matter). I'm not a boomer. Gen X...born in '76.

How's the scootering in Canmore?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Regorium

From my perspective, the problems are getting worse because there hasn't been any housing built. The projects that have been completed have been woefully inadequate in terms of the numbers required to move the needle.

This development brings hope to people that want to actually stay in Canmore. Instead of their choices being a 1200sqft 1950s built home for 800k or renting the basement of said house for 1800 a month, they might be able to get something that isn't a total dump at a price that is closer to what a normal market value is. Now is that normal value "affordable"? Not to someone that's homeless, but it'd definitely be more affordable than what we have today.

You seem to think every new house is a second home. Why is that the presumption? What sort of housing stock needs to be developed to prevent it from being attractive as a second property, but attractive to someone that wants to live there?

Are you looking for actual municipal policy that prevents people from living elsewhere? Because I think that might be a different issue entirely, and could easily apply to everything in Canmore right now, and not something with this exact development.

That's just not true. Loads of housing has been built, but it's pretty obvious most of it is vacation style. There are a few more affordable things being built but I think they require government support. Developers are going to maximize their dollars, and affordable housing doesn't do that, which is why it is such a problem.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh, I'm GenX too, but the second home thing is a Boomer issue across the country. Sorry for the low blow.

Is photon a boomer? Doesn't he have multiple properties?

A boomer issue? Well, good news Fuzz, they're going to start getting sick/dying of senescence soon enough, and second properties are taxed when disposed. Of course one can drive a truck through that rule's loopholes.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's just not true. Loads of housing has been built, but it's pretty obvious most of it is vacation style. There are a few more affordable things being built but I think they require government support. Developers are going to maximize their dollars, and affordable housing doesn't do that, which is why it is such a problem.

I'll ask you again:

What does "affordable" mean to you?

[Fuzz]

Like I said in my first post, the place is ####ed. It's a lost cause. The town is generally run by morons(see the constant attempt to improve roads and intersections by making them worse). It's just a matter of who can actually see the trend that has happened, and doing more of the same will extend that trend, and, then it gets more ####ed. I've accepted it, it's just weird so many look at these long term trends and say "ya, but this time will be different if we do the same thing." Spoiler alert, it won't. Check back in in 20 years.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by calumniate

How's the scootering in Canmore?

Pretty solid scooter scene, tbh.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Like I said in my first post, the place is ####ed. It's a lost cause. The town is generally run by morons(see the constant attempt to improve roads and intersections by making them worse). It's just a matter of who can actually see the trend that has happened, and doing more of the same will extend that trend, and, then it gets more ####ed. I've accepted it, it's just weird so many look at these long term trends and say "ya, but this time will be different if we do the same thing." Spoiler alert, it won't. Check back in in 20 years.

Every place is screwed. Calgary is screwed.

Keep voting LPC Fuzzy boy.

[Barnet Flame]

I’d class affordable as having a sufficient range of housing stock at a value commensurate with the local economic conditions and employment opportunities so that people needed to fill those opportunities could afford to buy and/or rent there.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Every place is screwed. Calgary is screwed.

Keep voting LPC Fuzzy boy.

I'm baffled as to why you keep making this partisan?

[Sliver]

Say you find yourself in a position where you have some extra money. Are you, Fuzz, suggesting there be limits or restrictions on where you can spend that money? Should it be illegal for me to have a second home in Canmore? If all the second property people put their homes up for sale, do you not think there would be an absolute collapse of the Canmore economy? You can't possibly think the town is self sustaining, right? You think all those 24-year-olds working retail and serving jobs are going to scoop up the thousands of condos and homes and be able to afford the taxes, fees and maintenance costs?

So then where's the line? Shouldn't the market decide that? Are there examples anywhere on planet earth you can point to that would provide a roadmap for the Canmore you think is viable/workable?

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that I'm a "problem" because I've chosen to spend my money on something I want that really doesn't hurt anybody. And my purchase has dumped a ton of money into a small town. Nobody is doing what I did in fkn Olds, as an example.

Would you support making a neighourhood of tiny homes, or modular/stackable apartments or something for people in Canmore? I would. I think people should be able to live there, but I don't see a need to kick other people out to make that happen. And it's certainly not the fault of people like me - a Canadian - who wants to buy a house to enjoy in Canada. It's an hour and 10 minutes from my house. I go there all the time. What's the point in working hard and making money if I can't spend it on reasonable things I want? And why do whiny Canmore people get to judge or decide how I spend my money? Fk them.

I've always loved the mountains. Moved to Lake Louise and lived there for a season the day after I turned 18. Lived in an RV on tunnel mountain for a summer in university. Wanted to live in the mountains permanently, but it didn't seem affordable or feasible for the life I wanted, so I've been grinding it out in Calgary where the wages and opportunities are better. Now I'm laying the groundwork to spend more time in the mountains 25 years after I had to leave my homes there. Boohoo people have to move out of Canmore to more affordable places with higher salaries. I did the same fkn thing so why should I care they have to as well?

Ever been to lake country (Emma Lake, Christopher Lake, etc.) in Saskatchewan? Thousands of second homes and nobody ####s on those people. Second homes are okay. Doesn't make you a dick. You pay for them, you pay your taxes, you should be allowed to enjoy them without #######s trying to knock you down.

I remember being in Austria. They built houses up the sides of half those mountains. There is a ton of room in Canmore. The only reason there isn't more affordable housing is because Canmore residents - not second-home owners - are preventing it. You guys are that meme of shoving a stick in your bicycle tire and blaming second-home owners. Or that one with the curly-haired dude shooting affordable housing and then asking why second-home owners would do this.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Regorium

You seem to think every new house is a second home. Why is that the presumption? What sort of housing stock needs to be developed to prevent it from being attractive as a second property, but attractive to someone that wants to live there?

Are you looking for actual municipal policy that prevents people from living elsewhere? Because I think that might be a different issue entirely, and could easily apply to everything in Canmore right now, and not something with this exact development.

I'm thinking that his view is that most people who can afford to live in Canmore are wealthier people retiring and that they're not selling their primary residence (usually Calgary) but rather splitting time between them.

In which case I think that assumption is largely valid.

Because a young couple moving to Canmore would be hard pressed to make a living at it, its an expensive place to live. The people who have been there for 30 years are reaping the benefits of rising property values that nobody trying to enter the market can afford.

[Johnny Makarov]

The only good thing about Canmore is that it is a 45 minute drive to Calgary.
Worked there for 5 months and drove back to Calgary every weekend.

Only bought a place there to rent as we found it super cheap on welist.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Say you find yourself in a position where you have some extra money. Are you, Fuzz, suggesting there be limits or restrictions on where you can spend that money? Should it be illegal for me to have a second home in Canmore? If all the second property people put their homes up for sale, do you not think there would be an absolute collapse of the Canmore economy? You can't possibly think the town is self sustaining, right? You think all those 24-year-olds working retail and serving jobs are going to scoop up the thousands of condos and homes and be able to afford the taxes, fees and maintenance costs?

So then where's the line? Shouldn't the market decide that? Are there examples anywhere on planet earth you can point to that would provide a roadmap for the Canmore you think is viable/workable?

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that I'm a "problem" because I've chosen to spend my money on something I want that really doesn't hurt anybody. And my purchase has dumped a ton of money into a small town. Nobody is doing what I did in fkn Olds, as an example.

Would you support making a neighourhood of tiny homes, or modular/stackable apartments or something for people in Canmore? I would. I think people should be able to live there, but I don't see a need to kick other people out to make that happen. And it's certainly not the fault of people like me - a Canadian - who wants to buy a house to enjoy in Canada. It's an hour and 10 minutes from my house. I go there all the time. What's the point in working hard and making money if I can't spend it on reasonable things I want? And why do whiny Canmore people get to judge or decide how I spend my money? Fk them.

I've always loved the mountains. Moved to Lake Louise and lived there for a season the day after I turned 18. Lived in an RV on tunnel mountain for a summer in university. Wanted to live in the mountains permanently, but it didn't seem affordable or feasible for the life I wanted, so I've been grinding it out in Calgary where the wages and opportunities are better. Now I'm laying the groundwork to spend more time in the mountains 25 years after I had to leave my homes there. Boohoo people have to move out of Canmore to more affordable places with higher salaries. I did the same fkn thing so why should I care they have to as well?

Ever been to lake country (Emma Lake, Christopher Lake, etc.) in Saskatchewan? Thousands of second homes and nobody ####s on those people. Second homes are okay. Doesn't make you a dick. You pay for them, you pay your taxes, you should be allowed to enjoy them without #######s trying to knock you down.

I remember being in Austria. They built houses up the sides of half those mountains. There is a ton of room in Canmore. The only reason there isn't more affordable housing is because Canmore residents - not second-home owners - are preventing it. You guys are that meme of shoving a stick in your bicycle tire and blaming second-home owners. Or that one with the curly-haired dude shooting affordable housing and then asking why second-home owners would do this.

You're ignoring the fact that this affects people that actually want to live lives in the community where you've made your purchase. Ever read about the empty housing in Vancouver that resulted in foreign ownership needing to have tenants or occupancy or be fined? Currently you're in the clear, while morally you're obviously questionable as you don't care about dogs, wolves, nature in general and shoot of bear bangers for fun. But if everyone pushes these limits too far you're going to see more legislation.

[kevman]

I don't often (almost never) agree with Sliver but today might be the day.

Everyone wants to live in a mountain town but nobody wants anyone else to live in a mountain town so who gets to decide who gets to live in a mountain town?

Everyone I know that lives in Canmore full time has moved there from somewhere else. My wife used to work for the Town of Canmore and all of he colleagues, with the exception of one, were born outside of the Bow Valley.

On one hand I understand the environmental concerns but I struggle with a bunch of people that have moved to Canmore telling others that Canmore is now closed for further immigration.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Shazam

It's amazing how people just form out of the quantum vapour and need to live somewhere.

The people who can afford to buy into a new vacation development in Canmore can afford a home anywhere in Alberta. There’s zero chance this development will provide affordable housing for the people who actually work in the town.

[cam_wmh]

Make sure when you do move to Manmore, it’s in 3 Sisters. The rest smells like absolute rotten bunghole, too often, because of the overrun Sewage system.

[Johnny Makarov]

Canmore does have the most beautiful landfill in world though!