Flames rank No. 32 of 32 in ESPN's NHL Future Power Rankings

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That’s…odd. I would have thought that having $10.5M attached to a 56 point winger and $6M attached to an AHL quality goalie would have had a bigger impact against the absolute bangers of Hanifin, Lindholm, Andersson, and Tanev contracts. The bit on the Flames does close with the fact that their perceived window will slam shut in short order.

It's highly unlikely that Huberdeau will score as few as 56 points in the next 3 seasons, and highly unlikely that Markstrom will be an AHL quality goalie over that period of time. You are projecting based on a single anomalous season rather than following those players' overall career trends.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

It's highly unlikely that Huberdeau will score as few as 56 points in the next 3 seasons, and highly unlikely that Markstrom will be an AHL quality goalie over that period of time. You are projecting based on a single anomalous season rather than following those players' overall career trends.

In Huberdeau case, he scored all those points in a different conference and on a different team.. sheltered minutes in Florida also.. thats worth noting. I dont expect another 56 points but also dont expect anything close to 100.

[HighLifeMan]

What shallow analysis by ESPN - but what else is new? Compare Pittsburgh to Calgary for example and tell me how they are ranked ten spots ahead of us?

Cap Management? 46M tied up over this timeframe in Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, Letang, Rust, Smith and Rakell whom have an average age of 33.5.

Current Roster? Finished with less points than the Flames last year.

Prospect pool? It's not even remotely close to the Flames in talent, nor depth. No 1st round or 3rd round pick this year. No second next year.

GM/Coach/Owner? Dubas was just let go and the head coach missed the playoffs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by redmile04

In Huberdeau case, he scored all those points in a different conference and on a different team.. sheltered minutes in Florida also.. thats worth noting. I dont expect another 56 points but also dont expect anything close to 100.

No material difference between the conferences, with respect to a player's point totals (and 39% of every team's games are against the other conference).

Also, 'sheltered minutes'... exactly how do you figure that? Do you think other teams weren't worried about matching up against the 2nd highest scoring player in the NHL?

[flambers]

Basically, article is pushing the Flames way down the list due to the uncertainty with a bunch of pending UFAs

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by flambers

Basically, article is pushing the Flames way down the list due to the uncertainty with a bunch of pending UFAs

Yep.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by flambers

Basically, article is pushing the Flames way down the list due to the uncertainty with a bunch of pending UFAs

Well, it's quite clear that the Flames are going to sign every one of those guys to ridiculously inflated contracts, which makes their cap management the worst in the league.

It is simultaneously quite clear that the Flames are going to let every one of those guys walk to free agency for nothing, which makes their asset management the worst in the league.

Therefore, it is obvious that their management are idiots and the team is hosed. Hence the 32nd-place ranking. Fold the franchise.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Well, it's quite clear that the Flames are going to sign every one of those guys to ridiculously inflated contracts, which makes their cap management the worst in the league.

It is simultaneously quite clear that the Flames are going to let every one of those guys walk to free agency for nothing, which makes their asset management the worst in the league.

Therefore, it is obvious that their management are idiots and the team is hosed. Hence the 32nd-place ranking. Fold the franchise.

Maybe, or the article assumes Flames don't resign the key players.

Rebuild / retool is the next step

No clue, what factored into the equation.

[Ashes]

Detroit, Columbus, and Minnesota are ahead of Colorado on any sort of Power Ranking list heading into the season? Swing and a miss.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by redmile04

In Huberdeau case, he scored all those points in a different conference and on a different team.. sheltered minutes in Florida also.. thats worth noting. I dont expect another 56 points but also dont expect anything close to 100.

Wasn't all that sheltered.

Huberdeau in his 115 point season had the 5th highest deployment ratio against elite competition on the Panthers.

[Textcritic]

These lists are always super dumb.

I guess they can be fun for some fans, but with the number of completely random variables involved in predicting future outcomes in this League, these amount to total guesses about what a team will look like beyond the the current season. This is even worse than the prospect pool rankings, which pretty much never reflect reality in hindsight.

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[cannon7]

Flames may be able to pull out a winning season this year. But that doesn't change the fact that there is a cliff ahead.

But yeah, rankings like this are dumb.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Wasn't all that sheltered.

Huberdeau in his 115 point season had the 5th highest deployment ratio against elite competition on the Panthers.

Good to know that ! I was looking at things like:
The Florida Panthers are one of the best teams in the league, and up front, they’re highlighted by one of the hottest lines.

Jonathan Huberdeau, Sam Bennett, and Anthony Duclair have been thriving since being put together as the team’s second line.

Figuring that he was on a 2nd line there and not going up against the opposition best line.. that was my guess at how he went from 115 to 55 points.. I know players often come to Calgary and struggle.. leave Calgary and do better ( not always, but often- historically) but i cant seem to figure out this one.. Really hoping it was primarily Sutter.

[dammage79]

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

These lists are always super dumb.

I guess they can be fun for some fans, but with the number of completely random variables involved in predicting future outcomes in this League, these amount to total guesses about what a team will look like beyond the the current season. This is even worse than the prospect pool rankings, which pretty much never reflect reality in hindsight.

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Sports media has to create articles to generate clicks. ESPN has been doing this for years with the NFL, NBA, etc. I don't think they are dumb as clearly it matters to us enough to be discussing the list. That said I don't think fans should put too much stock into it given they are merely predictions. I'm sure some teams will be as advertised in 3 years while some won't. The Flames control their destiny, not the ESPN. I would have a few teams behind the Flames but objectively I would have to place them in the bottom 7 teams for sure given the current roster uncertainty. Things will be much clearer in the offseason one way or another as some of these pending UFA's will stay and some will go and we will then know what was gained in return and what the team has to work with going forward. I don't think anyone can deny the future is murky at the present time.

[bdubbs]

Flames perform best when they're regarded as underdogs. I hope the players pin this on the bulletin board in the locker room.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by BeltlineFan

Contrarily, Daily Faceoff just ranked the Flames #2 in Cap Management.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/20...p-rankings-8-1

It mentioned Conroy was only responsible for 1 of our 6 bad contracts, besides Duehr and Osterle who has he signed and which one of those is bad? Am I forgetting something obvious?

[bluejays]

Hard to disagree that their big contracts to an aging population was bad cap management. However the prospect thing is puzzling. Certainly no superstars forward or defenceman in the making but after this years draft they did okay to restock the cupboards a bit.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Their response to their dysfunctional coach and inadequate general manager was to replace them with their assistants, showing no clear direction change after apparently wanting keep both their GM and Coach in place.

This take annoys me. It shows long term planning, not that there is no clear direction in place.

Conroy is well regarded across the league, has worked in the organization for 10+ years, has interviewed for other NHLGM jobs, and is very qualified for the role. Are the Flames supposed to not hire him because Treliving walked and he was an assistant? They have been grooming him to become a GM for 13 years.

(Also that "inadequate GM" was hired by the richest hockey team in the world, so he must have done something right)

Similar things for Huska. He coached on the farm team for 4 years, an assistant for another 5 years with the big club, after he was successful for 7 years in the WHL. He also has a great history of developing young dmen and coaching the defense. He's also been groomed to be a head coach by this organization for 9 years now, but I guess he's a bad hire because the guy that was made head coach that he had no real connection to was a jerk.

Change for the sake of change isn't good either, and as a fan I like having Conroy and Huska in their roles if only for the improved transparency with fans, and their insightful and thoughtful look into the team with how they answer questions.

I guess we'd be better off though if we went external to the organization and hired Cliff Fletcher and Mike Babcock though.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by flambers

Basically, article is pushing the Flames way down the list due to the uncertainty with a bunch of pending UFAs

And because of unproven Coaching and Management.