[News] NHL.com: Top 20 Wingers

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm not overly excited about RNH being on the list either, but it's not like EDM plays him as a C anymore. On paper, you might think of them as McDavid, Drasaitl and RNH 1-2-3 down the middle, but in reality it's McDavid and Drasaitl, 1 and 2, with RNH bouncing on either of their wings. At least for part of the game anyway, then it's just all three of them together on a single line for the rest of it.

While he certainly played less Centre this year than he has in his first 11 seasons, he still Centres the second line fairly regularly, while McDavid and Draisaitl are trotted out together nearly half the time.
Not to mention, more than half of his points this season came on the Powerplay. A lot of teams put more than 1 Centre on a powerplay unit. Malkin doesn't get called an elite winger when he scores on the powerplay.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes because, if you want to analyze something, you should always just use one input variable, and just take the last data set of it.
/s

If I want to know who was in the top 10 for scoring last year, I can look at the scoring list for last year. If I want to know who the top 20 wingers in the NHL are, I might want to expand my analysis just a tad. There isn't a fan, scout, analyst, GM, coach, or anything else around hockey (outside of Edmonton) who would include RNH in their list of the 20 best wingers in the NHL. Except, apparently, the dude that slapped this list together.

RNH put up over 100 pts last year with a $5M cap hit. That's another good variable to consider.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

RNH put up over 100 pts last year with a $5M cap hit. That's another good variable to consider.

Cool. What do you think he's worth, in trade value?

If you were a GM, looking to add a winger, how do you rate him?

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Hackey

RNH put up over 100 pts last year with a $5M cap hit. That's another good variable to consider.

Two questions to really consider:
How many of those were on the PP?
How many of those included McDavid & Draisaitl?

Something tells me that without those 2 on the PP RNH gets far less than 100 pts.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Tkachuk plays with Bennett, not Barkov.

He moved between Bennett and Barkov, a little bit more with Bennett
Also spent all the time with Barkov on the PP

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He moved between Bennett and Barkov, a little bit more with Bennett
Also spent all the time with Barkov on the PP

More than just a little bit more with Bennett.

According to Moneypuck, Tkachuk played:

52% of the time with Bennett (490.8 minutes),
25% of the time with Barkov (237.2 minutes),
and 23% of the time with neither (223.6 minutes).


Bennett and Barkov didn't play together at all, so there was no overlap.

That is regular season (PP and 5-on-5 combined). The playoffs were even more exclusively with Bennett.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Hackey

RNH put up over 100 pts last year with a $5M cap hit. That's another good variable to consider.

50 point guy being propped up by Mcdrai.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

More than just a little bit more with Bennett.

According to Moneypuck, Tkachuk played:

52% of the time with Bennett (490.8 minutes),
25% of the time with Barkov (237.2 minutes),
and 23% of the time with neither (223.6 minutes).


Bennett and Barkov didn't play together at all, so there was no overlap.

That is regular season (PP and 5-on-5 combined). The playoffs were even more exclusively with Bennett.

Chucky and Barkov play on the PP together, so that accounts for at least 10% of their time together. But the rest is probably random. Either way, Chucky isn’t feeding off Barkov for points, and honestly Sasha could have used some of that production this year from Chuck.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by wretched34

While he certainly played less Centre this year than he has in his first 11 seasons, he still Centres the second line fairly regularly...

No, he really doesn't.

Regular season line deployments

Spoiler!

Playoff line deployments

Spoiler!

You have to go all the way down to the 17th most-deployed line combo before you find him playing C in the regular season, and he didn't play a single minute at C in the playoffs.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Many of the lists, if not all, are a classic what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of list. Everyone has written off many of the current Flames already. And that’s alright, that’s generally when we play our best hockey.

When was this? 2004?
This team has rarely proven any doubters wrong.
Frankly its not that impressive of a lineup, with lots of unknowns. Anything is possible but who would bet on this being a top lineup at this point?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

RNH put up over 100 pts last year with a $5M cap hit. That's another good variable to consider.

It's actually hilarious how hard you fight to defend an Oiler while always hating on the Flames.

I suppose Bouchard is the best dman in the NHL after the playoffs because points. Nothing to do with the McDrai PP

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Igottago

When was this? 2004?
This team has rarely proven any doubters wrong.
Frankly its not that impressive of a lineup, with lots of unknowns. Anything is possible but who would bet on this being a top lineup at this point?

We’re a volatile team. #1 team in the division one year, miss the playoffs next. The reviews have always been mixed depending on how well we fared in the season, where’ve you been?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Cool. What do you think he's worth, in trade value?

If you were a GM, looking to add a winger, how do you rate him?

More than Huberdeau. Only 6 years left compared to 8. Cap hit is less than half. Production last year was about double.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Hackey

More than Huberdeau. Only 6 years left compared to 8. Cap hit is less than half. Production last year was about double.

Previous 4 seasons:

262 gp 77 G 215 pts -13
vs
286 gp 103 G 346 pts +38

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Hackey

More than Huberdeau. Only 6 years left compared to 8. Cap hit is less than half. Production last year was about double.

Nope. Mediocre player being propped up by McDrai. Huberdeau is 10x the player. You’ll learn that this season.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Hackey

More than Huberdeau. Only 6 years left compared to 8. Cap hit is less than half. Production last year was about double.

Although Huberdeau couldn’t do it last year, he can carry a line. I dont think RNH is capable of that, otherwise the Oilers would have been closer to a cup by now. He is also often a no show in the playoffs

[jlh2640]

It is laughable how weak and wimpy RNH is. He was terrible in the playoffs. He also is not a center. Oiler fans think he is so good, most of his production comes from riding the other 2 wonder twins. He will be the next cap casualty next offseason.

[Enoch Root]

When you find yourself arguing that RNH is a better player than Huberdeau (or should be in the top 20 wingers in the NHL), that is when you should just stop and accept that you have drifted out too far.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When you find yourself arguing that RNH is a better player than Huberdeau (or should be in the top 20 wingers in the NHL), that is when you should just stop and accept that you have drifted out too far.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my arguments have only been that he IS a winger (now), and that any player that plays consistantly on McDavid/Draisail's wing would probably make that list if they were able to capatilize on that opportunity (as he has).

RNH by himself in a vacuum is not a top-20 anything, but he isn't in a vacuum by himself... so, yadda, yadda, yadda... here we are.

[GioforPM]

I suspect when RNH plays with Draisaitl and probably Janmark (and to an extent McDavid) he plays down the middle a lot more than those guys. Not on draws because he's not that good. But afterwards...