So...twitter's not working so well, can you post clips or quotes rather than just linking to that hot goddamned mess?
We're truly witnessing a radicalization on both sides in France.
This is an unreal communiqué by the main French police unions, essentially declaring France is in a civil war and that the police is in the "resistance" against the government.
This is the translation:
"Now that's enough...
Facing these savage hordes, asking for calm is no longer enough, it must be imposed!
Restoring the republican order and putting the apprehended beyond the capacity to harm should be the only political signals to give.
In the face of such exactions, the police family must stand together.
Our colleagues, like the majority of citizens, can no longer bear the tyranny of these violent minorities.
The time is not for union action, but for combat against these "pests".
Surrendering, capitulating, and pleasing them by laying down arms are not the solutions in light of the gravity of the situation.
All means must be put in place to restore the rule of law as quickly as possible.
Once restored, we already know that we will relive this mess that we have been enduring for decades.
For these reasons, Alliance Police Nationale and UNSA Police will take their responsibilities and warn the government from now on that at the end, we will be in action and without concrete measures for the legal protection of the Police, an appropriate penal response, significant means provided, the police will judge the extent of the consideration given.
Today the police are in combat because we are at war. Tomorrow we will be in resistance and the government will have to become aware of it."
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Just for info, I will block all racist and uninformed commenters, like this guy.
First of all, like it or not these "immigrants" are French, in their immense majority. Most often for the 2nd or 3rd generation since the bulk of the immigrants from North Africa came in the 60s and 70s. And they came to France because we colonized their country, which was a historical mistake of profound significance, which France committed...
Other mistake: we then parked these populations together in suburban ghettos, meaning that France created this divide that we today live with between these populations and the rest of the French population.
Third mistake: France always had this totally unrealistic ideal of "assimilation", instead of understanding that you can't erase someone's culture, even after multiple generations, and that the only realistic thing to do is therefore to accommodate different cultures. What happens when you have a large population of a given culture and that you don't accommodate or respect it, instead trying to unrealistically convert them to another culture? You create resentment, defiance and, again, divide.
These are the root causes of the issue. Like it or not, France does have a very large Muslim population of North African origin. They will have a different culture than the "traditional" French culture, probably for ever or at least for many, many generations. You can either put your head in the sand (the solution of the left) or go for an apartheid-like regime (the solution of the right) but neither of these are actual solutions. The only actual solution is to change France as a country that accommodates and respects different cultures in its midst.
There are actually excellent examples of this in Asia. Singapore - where approx 15% of the population is Muslim - is an excellent example of how Islam can flourish in the context of a secular state. Muslim holidays in Singapore are public holidays for the whole country. They also have a "Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act" which bans "causing feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different religious groups". This is a wise policy that allows for mutual respect and harmony between communities.
Sadly I don't see France adopting a similar path anytime soon. And this is why these problems will keep worsening.
That's my 2-cent.
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I am planning on spending a year in France with my family in 2025-26. My wife and I have a deferred leave plan with our employers and I thought it would be a great experience for my kids. The kids would enroll in school there, really learn French (currently in French immersion), and we would use it as a base to travel around Europe. However, all these riots and the challenges they seem to have with migrants are making me rethink my plan.
My view is you should go for it. France has its challenges for sure, but the opportunity would be hard to pass up. My wife has French relatives who we visit fairly often and I’ve been to the country a good dozen times, most recently this spring during the pension strikes. What you see or read in the media ignores how much of normal life still happens. People go about their day, they wander their great parks, they languish in their cafes as they always have. There are definitely significant issues facing the country but I don’t believe that would stop me from living there for a year.
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Jeanbrun, mayor of the southern suburb of L'Haÿ-les-Roses, said his wife and one of their two children, aged five and seven, were injured as they fled the building in the early hours.
Jeanbrun, from the conservative Les Républicains party, was not at home but at the town hall during the incident. The town hall has been the target of attack for several nights since the shooting and has been protected with barbed wire and barricades.
"At 01:30am, as I was in the town hall just like the two previous nights, people ram-raided my home before starting a fire to torch my house, where my wife and my two young children were sleeping," Jeanbrun said on his Twitter account.
"While attempting to shield them and fleeing the attackers, my wife and one of my children got hurt."
Keep the 99% at each other's throats. That's the plan.
I thought the mind control chips in the vaccines made that unnecessary? I'm going to be honest maybe I lack enough faith but I'm beginning to think the plan has some flaws in it
We're truly witnessing a radicalization on both sides in France.
This is an unreal communiqué by the main French police unions, essentially declaring France is in a civil war and that the police is in the "resistance" against the government.
This is the translation:
"Now that's enough...
Facing these savage hordes, asking for calm is no longer enough, it must be imposed!
Restoring the republican order and putting the apprehended beyond the capacity to harm should be the only political signals to give.
In the face of such exactions, the police family must stand together.
Our colleagues, like the majority of citizens, can no longer bear the tyranny of these violent minorities.
The time is not for union action, but for combat against these "pests".
Surrendering, capitulating, and pleasing them by laying down arms are not the solutions in light of the gravity of the situation.
All means must be put in place to restore the rule of law as quickly as possible.
Once restored, we already know that we will relive this mess that we have been enduring for decades.
For these reasons, Alliance Police Nationale and UNSA Police will take their responsibilities and warn the government from now on that at the end, we will be in action and without concrete measures for the legal protection of the Police, an appropriate penal response, significant means provided, the police will judge the extent of the consideration given.
Today the police are in combat because we are at war. Tomorrow we will be in resistance and the government will have to become aware of it."
Uhhh....essentially declaring open war on your own citizens is a pretty ballsy move...I'm going to bet that the French arent going to like that.
Well...France might be the first of the Western Democracy dominos to fall.
One would have to imagine that old-timey Colonialism was eventually going to come back and bite them in the ass.
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Just for info, I will block all racist and uninformed commenters, like this guy.
First of all, like it or not these "immigrants" are French, in their immense majority. Most often for the 2nd or 3rd generation since the bulk of the immigrants from North Africa came in the 60s and 70s. And they came to France because we colonized their country, which was a historical mistake of profound significance, which France committed...
Other mistake: we then parked these populations together in suburban ghettos, meaning that France created this divide that we today live with between these populations and the rest of the French population.
Third mistake: France always had this totally unrealistic ideal of "assimilation", instead of understanding that you can't erase someone's culture, even after multiple generations, and that the only realistic thing to do is therefore to accommodate different cultures. What happens when you have a large population of a given culture and that you don't accommodate or respect it, instead trying to unrealistically convert them to another culture? You create resentment, defiance and, again, divide.
These are the root causes of the issue. Like it or not, France does have a very large Muslim population of North African origin. They will have a different culture than the "traditional" French culture, probably for ever or at least for many, many generations. You can either put your head in the sand (the solution of the left) or go for an apartheid-like regime (the solution of the right) but neither of these are actual solutions. The only actual solution is to change France as a country that accommodates and respects different cultures in its midst.
There are actually excellent examples of this in Asia. Singapore - where approx 15% of the population is Muslim - is an excellent example of how Islam can flourish in the context of a secular state. Muslim holidays in Singapore are public holidays for the whole country. They also have a "Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act" which bans "causing feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different religious groups". This is a wise policy that allows for mutual respect and harmony between communities.
Sadly I don't see France adopting a similar path anytime soon. And this is why these problems will keep worsening.
That's my 2-cent.
The Muslims in Singapore are of Malay extraction, much less "martial" than the BAMEs France has to deal with.
"France is still the same, there are just more blacks" - Donald Trump
I for one love France! I'm going there in September for three weeks. It is one of the most beautiful places and French culture is tough to beat.
But, France has certainly done a disservice to its minority communities - particularly its North African populations. France essentially does zero data collection on race on the basis that this land of freedom and liberty doesn't need to (alot like the US) and it has certainly created a ghettoization of certain communities like Parisian outer burbs and Marseille.
France also has a huge cultural superiority problem - Many French people truly hold elitist views about their culture and way of life. Are they wrong? French culture is absolutely amazing, but holding that view while importing millions from former colonies certainly creates an issue. Couple that with ghettoization and lets-not-talk-about-racism, and unemployment and it becomes a struggle.
The country does nothing to address systemic issues with race and immigration, which results in flare ups like these every few years. The response from the police and government tells you all you need to know about how these issues will persist.
Also, I can't help but throw some succession into the mix:
"France is still the same, there are just more blacks" - Donald Trump
I for one love France! I'm going there in September for three weeks. It is one of the most beautiful places and French culture is tough to beat.
But, France has certainly done a disservice to its minority communities - particularly its North African populations. France essentially does zero data collection on race on the basis that this land of freedom and liberty doesn't need to (alot like the US) and it has certainly created a ghettoization of certain communities like Parisian outer burbs and Marseille.
France also has a huge cultural superiority problem - Many French people truly hold elitist views about their culture and way of life. Are they wrong? French culture is absolutely amazing, but holding that view while importing millions from former colonies certainly creates an issue. Couple that with ghettoization and lets-not-talk-about-racism, and unemployment and it becomes a struggle.
The country does nothing to address systemic issues with race and immigration, which results in flare ups like these every few years. The response from the police and government tells you all you need to know about how these issues will persist.
Also, I can't help but throw some succession into the mix:
Thank you for your intelligent reply.
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since the bulk of the immigrants from North Africa came in the 60s and 70s. And they came to France because we colonized their country, which was a historical mistake of profound significance, which France committed...
