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traptor · 06-23-2023, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I wouldn't. I'd sooner keep Z and see if a fair contract can be worked out - or better yet, move him at the trade deadline.

Both 2024 UFAs. Both 2013 drafted. Middle sox forward for #5 D.

You can always sell duclair or sign him to a fair contract.

It's worth it alone if it gets huberdeau going.

ComixZone · 06-23-2023, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

CP is going to melt down when the Hanifin deal goes down. The expectations here are seriously out of whack with reality.

1st + prospect or 1st + 2nd...I don't think that's out of whack with reality. Look at recent trades.

Ashasx · 06-23-2023, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by flamesgod

The sooner you all wrap your head around the fact there isn’t going to be a full on rebuild, the more these kinds of moves will make sense for you. I could see the Flames trading our guys for draft picks and then turning around and acquiring some players with the acquired picks. I’m hoping they get some decent players, and when the dust settles have an extra 1st in this years draft.

If the Flames keep turning their Ferrari's into paper clips, eventually this rebuild will be forced upon them and there is nothing they can do to change it.

The idea should be that they are preparing themselves and leveraging the veteran assets they have to try and make the rebuild as smooth as possible.

Saqe · 06-23-2023, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Sure, that'd be ideal, but what picks or prospects can Florida offer that would make the deal whole? They don't really have the pieces to do this if I'm being honest, but Luostarinen is a guy that could make sense.

Yeah it seems a tough deal to make from Calgary POV, the next first rounder Florida has is in 2026 I think the value of that is probably more like a late second rounder at this moment since it's so far down the road.

Luostarinen had a coming out party this year and is still under team control and cheap, that's why I don't think he would be available as an add. Also Zito mentioned he doesn't want to mess with the room much.

CliffFletcher · 06-23-2023, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't see how a 1st + prospect or 1st + 2nd is out of whack with reality.

We are simply hoping management doesn't make a dumb, shortsighted move.

The list of teams that need a top-four LHD, can take on $4.75 mil next season and 7+mil going forward without shedding cap, and also have a 1st available and willing to trade is very small. And then there’s the matter of whether the Flames even want to take a step back or will try to make hockey trades instead.

Badgers Nose · 06-23-2023, 10:03 AM

Needs more Rooney to make it work.

Roof-Daddy · 06-23-2023, 10:03 AM

Probably want him because of his past fit with Huberdeau.

ForeverFlameFan · 06-23-2023, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why? Do we hope to trade this 27 year old UFA and a 25 year old RFA for other assets? Why are we pushing this down the road?

Because we still need to ice an NHL lineup.

The offer Cali proposed is fine, maybe squeeze a 2nd rounder to Calgary too. I’m just tired of trading with them though. I hate losing trades to them. We probably should have them blocked after the Bennett and Tkachuk fleece.

Cycling76er · 06-23-2023, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by alan21

Send Bennett too!

No.

Ashasx · 06-23-2023, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The list of teams that need a top-four LHD, can take on $4.75 mil next season and 7+mil going forward without shedding cap, and also have a 1st available and willing to trade is very small.

$4.75 million is dead cheap for Hanifin. If any team wants to add any top 4 defenceman, that's virtually the minimum price they would be expecting to pay for him. So they would have the expectation built in that any team wanting a top 4 defenceman realizes that they don't have a $1 million cap hit.

+ the Flames can retain salary on Hanifin if they are smart.

+ the salary cap could be ging up by $8 million for the 2024-2025 season.

Matty81 · 06-23-2023, 10:06 AM

Not a huge fan of this potential move. If he was locked up long term maybe, even though he's not great he would be a solid 3rd liner who could fill in on the 2nd line and be on the 2nd PP unit, but bring him in for a year on a rebuilding team and give him lots of ice only benefits the player and increases his value.

Shouldn't be spending assets on guys in this contract situation unless you are 100% sure they will extend here

mrdonkey · 06-23-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The list of teams that need a top-four LHD, can take on $4.75 mil next season and 7+mil going forward without shedding cap, and also have a 1st available and willing to trade is very small.

It's not like the Flames couldn't afford to take on some short term cap dumps or retain salary to make a better trade work. The team's going to be flush with space after the exodus.

The only thing standing in the way is the "just try to sneak in" mentality we all fear is waiting around the corner.

Ashasx · 06-23-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Because we still need to ice an NHL lineup.

The offer Cali proposed is fine, maybe squeeze a 2nd rounder to Calgary too. I’m just tired of trading with them though. I hate losing trades to them. We probably should have them blocked after the Bennett and Tkachuk fleece.

Did our GM not just mention that he wants to give younger player a bigger shot/role out of camp?

Why are we using one of our two biggest trade chips to simply "ice an NHL lineup"?

Harry Lime · 06-23-2023, 10:07 AM

Duclair
Mathew Samoskevich RW (Florida's best prospect)
John Ludvig and Ludvig Jansson (RD and LD respectively with boom/bust potential. Lots of Ludvigs)
2026 1st

for

Noah Hanafin
Mikeal Backlund 50% retained (takes the place of Staal on the third line)

Improves Florida up the middle and on the LD, and leaves them enough cap space to be active in the FA market.

Calgary has a new best prospect, a future pick when Florida isn't as good and two defensive prospects where they are weak.

Hockey_Ninja · 06-23-2023, 10:07 AM

I wouldn’t mind acquiring Duclair. But as a return for Hanifin it would be incredibly underwhelming. Here’s hoping it’s a deal involving Zadorov

ForeverFlameFan · 06-23-2023, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Did our GM not just mention that he wants to give younger player a bigger shot/role out of camp?

Why are we using one of our two biggest trade chips to simply "ice an NHL lineup"?

Because we’re also likely trading 3 other players, all 3 being forwards? You’re so fixated on one trade, we’re about to go full tear down and I’d like to at least have some reliable players in the lineup with at least one of our trades. And both players on reasonable deals.

dammage79 · 06-23-2023, 10:10 AM

Please Flames. Make a trade so the collective fan base can have their serotonin dump.things are getting hairy around here.

Ashasx · 06-23-2023, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Because we’re also trading 3 other players, all 3 being forwards? You’re so fixated on one trade, we’re about to go full tear down and I’d like to at least have some reliable players in the lineup with at least one of our trades. And both players on reasonable deals.

I'm fixated on two trades - Lindholm and Hanifin - because they are by far our two biggest trading chips right now, and you can't sacrifice value on one of these trades simply because we need to "ice an NHL roster".

If you are trading these guys for a 27 and 25 year old, the Flames have failed, and it's just a lesser re-run of the Tkachuk trade.

SuperMatt18 · 06-23-2023, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

CP is going to melt down when the Hanifin deal goes down. The expectations here are seriously out of whack with reality.

Are they? Most Flames fans are looking for a 2023 1st and a prospect.

Let's look at similar trades of top 4 dmen over the last couple years.

Provorov for 1st, 2nd (looking at just the Columbus pieces traded)

Orlov for 1st (assume other pieces were for Hathaway)

Chychrun for 1st, 2nd, 2nd

Hronek for 1st, 2nd

Ekholm for Barrie, 1st, Schaefer (2022 1st)

Romanov for 1st

Chiarot for 1st, Smilanic, 4th

Ristolainen for 1st, 2nd, Hagg

Jones + 1st for Boqvist, 1st, 1st, 2nd

Hanifin is one of the best d-man on that list. Chychrun probably better but hurt all the time. Similar to Ekholm but Hanifin is 7 years younger. Jones probably had more hype but really was overrated too. If the Flames allow Hanifin to negotiate an extension before making a deal then the return should be really strong.

If they can't get at least a 1st and a 2nd/prospect then it's a huge failure by Conroy.

Bonded · 06-23-2023, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The list of teams that need a top-four LHD, can take on $4.75 mil next season and 7+mil going forward without shedding cap, and also have a 1st available and willing to trade is very small. And then there’s the matter of whether the Flames even want to take a step back or will try to make hockey trades instead.

Why’d Hanifin be worth a lot less than Provorov? He isn’t. This seems like a leak from Conroy to try and get Lindholm signed.
I’ll be expecting some crappy trades if Lindholm does sign to keep them in that sweet 16th overall pick range.