Well agree to disagree but there was a moment where Mogilny was considered one of the tippy top players in the league. Turgeon was always just a highly productive offense only player, that never won anything or accomplished anything or did anything notable.
They called Turgeon the tin man, no heart. I couldn’t stand him and he was the captain of my favourite team. Mogilny would be a way better selection than him.
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I struggle with this because of the way the NHL has botched things. He played in 1294 games and was over a PPG over his career. That's very impressive even if he didn't win anything and I am a believer that winning a cup doesn't define a player as Bourque was a very late career trade away from never having a ring himself. How do you let in middle roster guys like Kevin Lowe and Guy Carbonneau and deny players that were perennial all stars over the entirety of their career as I'm a firm believer in production over intangibles when it comes to HOF. It's not the Hall of Good Guys or Hall of Good Leaders after all.
Guy Carbonneau was a master of the craft. I'd challenge you to find even a handful of players that played the way he did. Please don't lump him in with Kevin Lowe.
If it's not the Hall of Good Guys then Theo Fleury should have been in there years ago.
Guy Carbonneau was a master of the craft. I'd challenge you to find even a handful of players that played the way he did. Please don't lump him in with Kevin Lowe.
If it's not the Hall of Good Guys then Theo Fleury should have been in there years ago.
Well, there's gradations. Some players who are in are jerks, or otherwise flawed. However, there are those who have kind of thumbed their noses at the game or the NHL (Fluery is notorious). I did hear once that Mogilny kind of shuns ceremonies like this so maybe they didn't like that (not an excuse).
It's interesting because his save percentage isn't really that great (even compared to peers who played the same seasons), but he won a lot. Should open it up to others getting in too IMO.
Both should be in TBH.
Turgeon:
Best Season: 137 points (92-93)
Career: 1327 points in 1294 games (1.03 PPG)
100 Points: 2X
PPG: 11X
Mogilny:
Best Season: 127 points (92-93)
Career: 1032 points in 990 games (1.04 PPG)
100 Points: 2X
PPG: 8X
Doesn't actually seem that crazy to me, Turgeon had the better career.
Turgeon was PPG+ from '89 to 2001 (except '95 lockout year when he had 47pts in 49gp). Obviously the first half of that was a high scoring era, but he managed to keep it up as scoring started to drop.
90 pts in his first 94 playoff gp (up to 2001) is also pretty good.
Time to honour Al Macinnis and Joe Nieuwendyk properly than. Forever A Flames can be for guys like Robyn Regehr and Michael Backlund, the former two deserve full retirement in this city.
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Time to honour Al Macinnis and Joe Nieuwendyk properly than. Forever A Flames can be for guys like Robyn Regehr and Michael Backlund, the former two deserve full retirement in this city.
Maybe. I feel like some people would disagree on it.
That should be the minimum to have your number forever retired in the Dome (and whatever the next arena is). Iginla clearly deserved it. McDonald was a bit before my time but seeing him raise the Cup as a Flame, plus being a great alumnus, it's good enough for me. Vernon I was and still am sort of questioning.
Good job Vernon the only Flames goalie to beat the Oilers
This. People talk about the two Stanley Cups, but beating the Oilers in 86 (with an assist from Steve Smith) and going to finals is just as impressive IMO.
In many ways it was our 1980's equivalent to the 2004 run.
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If you think Kipper is more deserving than Vernon, you probably didn't watch Vernon play.
You can say Stanley Cups are team wins, but a Conn Smythe says you were the best player on your championship team. A Vezina trophy is nice, but a Conn Smythe is better. The Wings were a great team but couldn't get over the hump. It was Vernon who led that group to their first championship.
The year the Flames won, they didn't play well in the first round, it was Vernon who shut the door in Game 7, multiple game saving saves in OT.
Also, bloodying Roy in the most epic goalie fight in NHL history should get Vernon into the Hall alone.
Obligatory reminder/lesson, re: the beauty that was Mike Vernon
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Vernon has been overlooked a lot because he had the misfortune of being the second best goalie in the NHL for the most productive part of his career. First he was up against Fuhr and then Roy (both of which he beat in the playoffs) and then Hasek.
A Calgary boy who played Junior in Calgary and then won a Cup for Calgary and still lives in Calgary and is a proud alumni.
The Gretzky slapper from the top of the circle in 1990 and the goal in 1991 from in the 1st round against the Kings with Vernon sprawling on his back still haunt me. But overall, a great goalie and a great Flame.
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