What should it take to trade for 1st Overall?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Flames don’t have a prospect anywhere near as good as Forsberg

Well to be fair, we don’t really know that. And we likely don’t really know what people thought of Forsberg at the time either. And to be blunt, we don’t even really know that about Bedard.

Magic beans are magic beans. Some are more likely than others to grow tall and we can make educated guesses regarding such, and maybe what you mean is even todays Flames don’t seem to have a prospect that is equivalent to Forsbergs value at the time, maybe, I guess? But I think I’m taking the Flames package I am presenting here if I’m the Blackhawks. Marketing wiz kid be damned, because my opinion is that winning is what matters more than marketable stars.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ok so the Hawks take your package. What are they for the next decade? Smells like a middling team to me. Literally accomplishes nothing. Why would they win with those players?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Quantity of assets doesn’t matter. The risk would be in trading him for a bunch of random stuff

I mean, take a second here and consider this.

15 picks over the next 3 years in the top rounds of each draft is just “random stuff”?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yes compared to Bedard as an asset

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok so the Hawks take your package. What are they for the next decade? Smells like a middling team to me. Literally accomplishes nothing. Why would they win with those players?

Why are they all of a sudden going to win with Bedard? Kid needs to learn D first of all, and second one player does not make a team. Are the Hawks better with my package than Bedard in the short term? Yes. In the long term? I think so, depending on where those picks land. You’re getting two top two C’s in Lindholm and Kadri and 2x top 4 D plus possibly the best up and coming goalie in the NHL?

Guess it depends how fast you think these current NHLers will drop off which, if this is your opinion of them- yikes.

This isn’t “random stuff”.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ok so then with all those awesome players then why didn’t the Flames win?
I didn’t say they are suddenly going to win but I would say they have better odds of winning a cup in the next decade than the Flames do.
Your deal turns them into literally the Flames for the next 10 years.

[Mr.Coffee]

I mean the other thing is that in my package you get Bedard, but then have nothing to build around him so the Hawks can bank on Calgarys picks being high value ones because they’ll suck and have no proper ability to rebuild.

But for the sake of discussion, just how many points do you think Bedard puts up for the next 5 years each year? Outperforming more than all those players I’m including? Not a chance in hell.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok so then with all those awesome players then why didn’t the Flames win?
I didn’t say they are suddenly going to win but I would say they have better odds of winning a cup in the next decade than the Flames do.
Your deal turns them into literally the Flames for the next 10 years.

All I’m reading here is that you hate the Flames with a passion, which is an interesting plot twist for CP.

[Jiri Hrdina]

No offence but that’s a dumb comparison (comparing point production of the players involved)
That would be like saying Lindholm plus Kadri plus Toffoli are worth more than McDavid because combined they put up more points
That’s not a logical way to look at this
Anyways I’ve answered your question. I have no interest in arguing further. I think the way you are looking at this is fundamentally flawed

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

2nd overall, Zegras + McTavish + 2024 1st.

That would be a epically bad deal for Anaheim. Bedard will be good but not that good.

[OptimalTates]

I think if you wanted to build a semi-competitive team for the next decade, and quickly, the Hawks could do that with the quantity for quality trades proposed.

But the Hawks know better than most that you build Stanley Cup teams around a core with the best bang-for-their-buck and you do that most easily with superstars on the end of their ELC and second contracts. It's no coincidence that Chicago won both times when that was the case with Toews and Kane. They wont pass up the opportunity to do it with Bedard.

[madmike]

Given how the league works now with the cap, RFA, etc., Bedard would be untradeable in my opinion. You’d never get equivalent value.

[Scroopy Noopers]

There is absolutely zero reason to do this, for any team in the league.

[Poe969]

I think a better question would be:

What if Bedatd says he doesn't want to go to the hawks because he can't respect the franchise due to recent events. What is the most you'd offer the hawks or what do you think the best offer would be?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Flames simply don't have the assets to land Bedard.

One team that I think needs to go full scorch are the Canucks. Trade Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko for Bedard. Absolute overpayment but the Canucks get their franchise player. I don't think Pettersson and Hughes would stay with the Canucks when they finally have the opportunity to leave.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

LOL oh my god, I do this deal everyday of the week if I am the Hawks. Yikes.

What do you think the actual delta is between Bedard and the 2nd pick, and you're going to add Zegras, McTavish and next year's first to that?!

What was the delta between Crosby and Bobby Ryan. Lindros and Falloon? Kane to JVR? Matthews to Laine?


Then again there is Ovechkin to Malkin or McDavid to Eichel.

[Strange Brew]

So if McDavid wanted out, would the Hawks be interested in him for their pick? IMO that's really the only obvious asset that is close to equal value IMO.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So if McDavid wanted out, would the Hawks be interested in him for their pick? IMO that's really the only obvious asset that is close to equal value IMO.

No I don’t think they would. The Hawks just tore it down and have a pretty awful roster so not sure adding a 27 year old McDavid with only 3 years left on his deal at 12.5M makes sense. The rest of McDavid’s deal represents Bedard’s ELC.

Because of where Chicago is in their build they would want a package from another long rebuilding franchise to give multiple top 5-10 recent picks in exchange. Anaheim giving up the number 2 pick, next years 1st, McTavish, Drysdale would be enticing. That is 3 years worth of suffering and a future 1st for a generational talent.

If they want a more established young star then I would look at NJ and ask for the Hughes brothers +

[Lanny_McDonald]

Living in a cap world I don't see any potential trade for Bedard making sense. Blackhawks would only be hurting themselves by treading away a generational player.

[jatylo]

I would be looking at New Jersey if a trade were to be made.
Chicago will likely be rebuilding for the next 5 years so it is essential to only take back established players in their early 20s
The Hughes Brothers + Nemec would make sense

Personally I think he already has a top 10 shot if he were to play today and will only get better. But I don't quite see him as "generational" consistently putting up 100 points a season. More in the high 80s to mid 90s in points