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05-19-2023, 10:44 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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Originally Posted by Toonage
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Has Leslie been right before? It seems that he pulls out these things every once in a while.
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05-19-2023, 10:46 AM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
What's the summary on Dubas?
Aside from the Leafs playoff fails, how has his trades/contracts/drafting been?
I don't follow the Leafs close enough to really have an opinion on him.
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Long term contracts have been very very good (so less contracts handcuffing the team), with core pieces previously locked up. Anyone outside the core doesn't get a long term deal
Drafting seems to be generally a miss considering he's traded a lot away at deadlines for rentals and/or they've been middle of the pack on standings so not in prime draft position. Generally he's drafted very well early in his career with the core, then traded a lot of picks away since.
Signings of FAs have been very good IMO. It seems like a lot of guys come in with little development time and perform right away. ie: Bunting, Hyman, Knies, etc.
Dubas overall isn't a saint, but he's had a longer term vision to avoid signing non-core players to big deals and that's a huge deal. Saving your own skin at the expense by making lazy FA signings handcuffs the org and he's avoided that largely.
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05-19-2023, 10:46 AM
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#44
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Kasi
I hope Toronto takes Treveling. He could then ruin another Canadian teams futures with bad signings and trades.
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Matthews for Kadri and Hanifin.
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05-19-2023, 10:50 AM
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#45
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Originally Posted by Toonage
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This is probably more about Treliving going to Toronto than Dubas coming to Calgary.
Treliving is perfect for Toronto, he's a master at manipulating the media.
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05-19-2023, 10:50 AM
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#46
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Bring him to Calgary! Please!
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05-19-2023, 10:51 AM
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#47
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by 868904
This is probably more about Treliving going to Toronto than Dubas coming to Calgary.
Treliving is perfect for Toronto, he's a master at manipulating the media.
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IIRC, Leslie only used the eyes with something that was imminent. Even if that ultimately happens, it wouldn't be imminent because A) The Dubas decision for TO just happened and B) Calgary won't let Tre talk to anybody until July.
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05-19-2023, 10:55 AM
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#48
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by DionTheDman
IIRC, Leslie only used the eyes with something that was imminent. Even if that ultimately happens, it wouldn't be imminent because A) The Dubas decision for TO just happened and B) Calgary won't let Tre talk to anybody until July.
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Unless, as already mentioned, they only wouldn't let Pittsburgh talk to Treliving before July 1 because they're too close to the Flames in the draft order.
I still don't think there's any chance it would be imminent, but you never know.
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05-19-2023, 10:57 AM
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#49
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Originally Posted by bluejays
He's a human being at the end of the day so no doubt there were some legitimate tough situations, but to a large degree cry me a river. There are average Joes like you and me who work 12 hour days daily and not paid nearly as much. So while I feel for the guy, he can wipe those tears with his cash, not toilet paper the rest of us use. He'll be fine when he easily takes another senior management role.
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Ummm…
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05-19-2023, 10:59 AM
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#50
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Lmao, what you don't? Mr Monopoly here with his Kleenex
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05-19-2023, 11:00 AM
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I think he's a very capable guy who made two huge errors:
1) thinking the reason they couldn't win in the playoffs was Andersen . Aside from the fact they've continued to stumble, they've never found a goalie nearly as steady or capable.
2) signing Tavares. They already had a very capable young forward core. Should have saved the cap space to invest in shoring up the backend.
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05-19-2023, 11:03 AM
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#52
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Originally Posted by DionTheDman
IIRC, Leslie only used the eyes with something that was imminent. Even if that ultimately happens, it wouldn't be imminent because A) The Dubas decision for TO just happened and B) Calgary won't let Tre talk to anybody until July.
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Others have mentioned that Flames might allow the Leafs to talk to Treliving, but also, I'm not sure perceived "Elite" managers like Treliving and Dubas need interviews. Everyone knows who they are and how they operate in the current environment.
Interviews are probably more useful for AGM types and managers who have been out of work for awhile.
I think Leslie has more inside intel on Treliving than he does on Dubas.
Also possible, Flames "traded" the opportunity to speak with Treliving to the Leafs in exchange for the opportunity to speak with Pridham.
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05-19-2023, 11:03 AM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by 868904
This is probably more about Treliving going to Toronto than Dubas coming to Calgary.
Treliving is perfect for Toronto, he's a master at manipulating the media.
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Yeah.
Where there is smoke there is generally fire and the rumor going back to before Christmas was that if Dubas moves on from Toronto then they would probably look at Treliving.
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05-19-2023, 11:06 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Dubas was a very mediocre GM. He took the opposite road to Treliving - paid his stars big bucks and locked them up, but it didn't pay off. Toronto's drafting under Dubas also wasn't anything to write home about.
One thing he and Treliving have in common though is their consistent inability to find a franchise-level goaltender.
I really wouldn't want him as the Flames GM.
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05-19-2023, 11:08 AM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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i know Treliving said he needed time off away from the game. So if he signs with another team is it a matter of needing a month off? I hope a reporter digs into it a little. I love when company/PR lines are fleshed out.
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05-19-2023, 11:13 AM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Originally Posted by madmike
Dubas was a very mediocre GM. He took the opposite road to Treliving - paid his stars big bucks and locked them up, but it didn't pay off. Toronto's drafting under Dubas also wasn't anything to write home about.
One thing he and Treliving have in common though is their consistent inability to find a franchise-level goaltender.
I really wouldn't want him as the Flames GM.
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It's a results based org, so it's a fair critique that it didn't work out, but how many people have locked up 4 key core pieces and have all them under 25? Dubas' goaltenders turned out really good when he brought them from nowhere. Not one year did his goaltenders let him down where you attribute the loss to them. Did they steal a series, no...but can you rely on that? I think he's set the team up for success continually. There isn't a better GM out there IMO.
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05-19-2023, 11:14 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by bluejays
i know Treliving said he needed time off away from the game. So if he signs with another team is it a matter of needing a month off? I hope a reporter digs into it a little. I love when company/PR lines are fleshed out.
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Treliving hasn't said anything.
Maloney has said he said that...but they also weren't going out there and say "He didn't want to work here anymore for Edwards" (if that was the case).
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05-19-2023, 11:16 AM
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#58
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Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Tavares is good compared to the FAs Treliving brought in
They both failed to complete the teams to win that’s why they are both gone
Dubas’ team is in better shape though
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05-19-2023, 11:17 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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I really don't get the fanfare with this guy to be quite honest. He made some fantastic moves, but like Treliving, also struggled mightily in some areas, and never really garnered any measurable success team-wise in the post season where it ultimately matters the most.
These GMs are good people and certainly worthy of another go at it in the NHL, but I don't think I would put either of them any higher up my list or ahead of some of the up and coming names or ex players that have been learning on the job for years.
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05-19-2023, 11:19 AM
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#60
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Tavares is good compared to the FAs Treliving brought in
They both failed to complete the teams to win that’s why they are both gone
Dubas’ team is in better shape though
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Tavares signing in Toronto was a forgone conclusion whether Dubas was GM or not.
Treliving didn't have the luxury of attracting that level of talent to this market.
Dubas did a mediocre at best job in Toronto and that is being kind.
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