[OOT] March 12 with seven games.

[Vedder]

I get what you’re saying, but this is also a Flames board and therefore opinions about the Jets will slant accordingly. End of the day it doesn’t matter how it got done, huge weekend for their playoff hopes.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Go back and read my post again. I said the Jets "weren't outplayed". Which is true when you look at situations where the teams had the same number of players on the ice.

One team had much more PP time and it resulted in them having more chances... no #### sherlock

Just a funny little problem I have, it gets on my nerves when people say incredibly stupid things. Can't help it I guess.

People will keep alive the narrative of "oh look, the Jets are vulnerable, Flames can still make the playoffs because hey, they beat a bad Sens team on a road back to back"

Jets found a way to go into Tampa without their top Dman and beat the Lightning. Jets are not going to be caught.

Yeah, and I think that cherry-picking stats just so you can pretend the Jets played an even 60 mins so you can force your "Flames suck and Jets won't get caught" narrative is incredibly stupid.

If the Flames win tonight they are 6 back with 1 head-to-head game. That's the only fact that matters, not your incredibly stupid attempt to overplay the Jets so you can dump on the Flames.

[Mathgod]

Aggregates 5 on 5 play with special teams play. Calls other person incredibly stupid. Got it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Nobody gave a #### when the wild beat the Jets last week getting outshot 2 to 1.



I don't give a #### we lost the shot clock today. How's that for simple?

Goalposts

I only responded to "ballsy effort"

Again, maybe the goalie

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Aggregates 5 on 5 play with special teams play. Calls other person incredibly stupid. Got it.

Analyzes a 60-min game knowing that special teams are part of the game versus you cherry-picking 5v5 stats to force a totally useless and irrelevant argument. Stupid is polite.

Yeah, you said "people" say incredibly stupid things so I responded with your tone and exact phrasing.

[Mathgod]

But... you literally can't compare the stats straight across when you know one team had significantly more PP time. You just can't. If you're a serious person and understand hockey, you just can't.

Trying to be polite here, but man it's hard...

[hwy19man]

The Wild are up 4-3 after forty minutes in such a boring game.

[Groot]

Im comparing the stats of who wins the 60-minute game based on moneypuck metrics. That's it. You're trying to create a narrative that Jets won't be caught because..they were close to Tampa at 5v5 or something.

Ok, if you're so much more of a "serious hockey person" then Tampa still had an edge 5v5. If they had less PP time, how much bigger would the 5v5 gap be? I want specifics please since you're so much more of a "serious hockey person"

I seriously have no idea what you're trying to argue or why. Hockey is played over 60 minutes. Special teams matter. The Flames are 6 points back with a head-to-head. Any other "fact" is you forcing some irrelevant narrative.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

But... you literally can't compare the stats straight across when you know one team had significantly more PP time. You just can't. If you're a serious person and understand hockey, you just can't.

Trying to be polite here, but man it's hard...

PP doesn't count, thank god Oilers in last place please tell Gary

Seriously dude every metric favors the Lightning

Vasi was bad and Helle stole it

Doesn't matter 2 points is 2 points but we can call a spade a spade without being called stupid.

Every single site that tracks these things had the Lightning as the better team but your random method can not be questioned because you are mad at the Flames (who are irrelevant to who outplayed whom in this game)

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Groot

Im comparing the stats of who wins the 60-minute game based on moneypuck metrics. That's it. You're trying to create a narrative that Jets won't be caught because..they were close to Tampa at 5v5 or something.

Ok, if you're so much more of a "serious hockey person" then Tampa still had an edge 5v5. If they had less PP time, how much bigger would the 5v5 gap be? I want specifics please since you're so much more of a "serious hockey person"

I seriously have no idea what you're trying to argue or why. Hockey is played over 60 minutes. Special teams matter. The Flames are 6 points back with a head-to-head. Any other "fact" is you forcing some irrelevant narrative.

I said the Jets "weren't outplayed" which is correct.

Expected Goals 5 on 5 Flurry/Score/Venue Adjusted was Jets 1.63 Lightning 1.6.

Yes, for the most part, that's what's relevant when looking at who outplayed who. 5 on 4 is fundamentally different hockey from 5 on 5 so you can't just mash the numbers together. Special teams has to be looked at separately and while Tampa had more chances on the PP, they also had more time on the PP.

The only thing I'm arguing is that the Jets seem to have things back on track and have stopped their slump. Flames might be "only" 6 points back with a head to head game still to come, but they're also trailing Nashville in points %, and they haven't shown much evidence this season that they're capable of overcoming both of those teams to secure the final playoff spot. That's all I'm saying.

[hwy19man]

The Coyotes tie it at 4-4.

The Predators had a 4-2 lead and the Ducks have tied it. Terry and Mctavish scored.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I said the Jets "weren't outplayed" which is correct.

Expected Goals 5 on 5 Flurry/Score/Venue Adjusted was Jets 1.63 Lightning 1.6.

Yes, for the most part, that's what's relevant when looking at who outplayed who. 5 on 4 is fundamentally different hockey from 5 on 5 so you can't just mash the numbers together. Special teams has to be looked at separately and while Tampa had more chances on the PP, they also had more time on the PP.

The only thing I'm arguing is that the Jets seem to have things back on track and have stopped their slump. Flames might be "only" 6 points back with a head to head game still to come, but they're also trailing Nashville in points %, and they haven't shown much evidence this season that they're capable of overcoming both of those teams to secure the final playoff spot. That's all I'm saying.

Exactly, you're cherry-picking stats so you can force your narrative that Flames are worse than those teams and have no chance of making the playoffs. Just cancel the rest of the season then. I don't agree with that argument at all, and taking 5v5 stats in one game as a means to argue it is....well I've said what it is and no need to keep going on.

[Mathgod]

I'm arguing it with an entire season of evidence, not just one game of evidence... please point to me something... ANYTHING that should make me believe the Flames have a realistic chance of making the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Not to mention the Jets were outplayed even worse last night by the Panthers

This also isn't your grandaddy's Florida

Panthers aren't a playoff team and the Lightning have won 3 of 10. Jets got the points but were pretty fortunate...they may not be caught because of the lead but they don't look very good. Could be a waste of 8 days.

Neutral 3rd party websites say they got outplayed vs random biased guy trying to prove a point. You can't just omit powerplays because reasons. They were on the PP because the Jets commited infractions that potentially prevented scoring chances and goals for the Lightning 5 on 5.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I'm arguing it with an entire season of evidence, not just one game of evidence... please point to me something... ANYTHING that should make me believe the Flames have a realistic chance of making the playoffs.

Great, good for you, I'm not hear to convince you otherwise nor do I care what others think in that regard. I'll be cheering till the mathematical elimination regardless of how frustrating the season has been.

Also, that is an entirely different topic and different than trying to say that because the Jets had better expected goals in flurry, venue-adjusted 5v5 vs Tampa one game the Flames won't make the playoffs, which is all we were talking in this topic, but I'm sure you realize that.

[Mathgod]

yeah w/e, u totally destroyed me and i cant give any more ####s on this pointless bs, have a nice night

[Samonadreau]

When the Jets were losing, the Flames were losing. Now that the Flames are winning, the Jets are too.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

When the Jets were losing, the Flames were losing. Now that the Flames are winning, the Jets are too.

That’s why the Flames need to beat teams like Anaheim. They can’t afford to rely on the Jets or Preds to collapse like some cheerleaders here expecting

[White Out 403]

Nothing is settled. The Jets don't have enough of a cushion against the Predators or the Flames to relax. Frankly I'd prefer they focus on catching Dallas if they can. 6 points isn't the moon.

There's no reason we cant all join hands here and hope for Calgary and Winnipeg to move up and past the oilers, and Mcdavid watch the post season on tv

[1qqaaz]

Despite yesterday's win, The Flames playoff chances went down by around 10% because of the Winnipeg and Nashville wins.
Winnipeg is now only 1 point behind Edmonton with equal games played.