Laws around passing emergency vehicles to change March 1. UPDATE: Delayed to Sept 1

[Bill Bumface]

Let's make the roads safer by having adjacent cars travelling at a 50km/h speed delta, while also encouraging the cars in the slower lane to immediately merge in the fast lane!

(I known I'm repeating myself from the politics thread, but this is too dumb to leave alone)

[Fuzz]

This is what happens when you put clearly unqualified people into positions of power. They do stupid incompetent stuff becuase they think they know better than experts. How much you wanna bet half the reasoning for this is because Devin personally doesn't want to have to slow down at all? Does this guy strike you as the type that cares about anyone else's safety? The guy who's decisions resulted in 3 deaths from Covid at the meat plant?


"Three deaths were linked with the outbreak at the Cargill plant, and at more than 1500 confirmed cases, it was the largest outbreak of COVID-19 in Canada"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Dreeshen

[DoubleF]

WTF. If you're going to do this, just say slow to 60 kmph to pass ANY vehicle pulled over to the side of the road and maintain speed if you're at least one lane away.

Isn't the point of the rule to make it easier on anyone who might have to wander around a vehicle and close to the road while pulled over? For the purposes of this rule, there's little difference between a tow truck and someone trying to get the donut onto their car, right?

[Icantwhisper]

What about the strugglers that pull over to the left hand shoulder? Automatically have license revoked?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

WTF. If you're going to do this, just say slow to 60 kmph to pass ANY vehicle pulled over to the side of the road and maintain speed if you're at least one lane away.

Isn't the point of the rule to make it easier on anyone who might have to wander around a vehicle and close to the road while pulled over? For the purposes of this rule, there's little difference between a tow truck and someone trying to get the donut onto their car, right?

The only difference is that flashing lights means you know for sure there are people around whereas a car on the side might well be unoccupied. But you could still have that rule.

[squiggs96]

If there is an accident, or vehicle pulled over, going the opposite way on Deerfoot, which could presumably be 6 lanes and a median away from your car, you still have to slow down and stare. Your job is to make as much confusion in your own lane, so that accidents going your way will balance out the accidents going the other way. It's science.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The only difference is that flashing lights means you know for sure there are people around whereas a car on the side might well be unoccupied. But you could still have that rule.

Sorry, yeah. I meant any vehicle that isn't unoccupied (ie: Pissing, blown tire, waiting for tow truck etc.) because the concern for human life is crashing into one with someone inside or near it.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Sorry, yeah. I meant any vehicle that isn't unoccupied (ie: Pissing, blown tire, waiting for tow truck etc.) because the concern for human life is crashing into one with someone inside or near it.

That would be so annoying to figure out, how do you know occupancy til you're right on it? Just be courteous and pull over as far as practical.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by speede5

That would be so annoying to figure out, how do you know occupancy til you're right on it? Just be courteous and pull over as far as practical.

The comment was any car with hazards on. I just kinda expanded on that definition.

But I think your comment coincides with an opinion I have. If you couldn't see the photo radar from a distance before getting caught, maybe you shouldn't be complaining about the ticket.

Even on the highway, I can figure out whether there's someone in the car from a distance unless the windows are tinted into oblivion. Usually you can also tell via exhaust or lights. The rule is basically change lanes and keep driving speed limit or slow down if you're in the adjacent lane. If someone can't figure out if someone is in the car adjacent to their lane, slow the hell down or change lanes. If they complain that's too hard. I wonder if situational awareness as part of their driving skill is inadequate.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

The comment was any car with hazards on. I just kinda expanded on that definition.

But I think your comment coincides with an opinion I have. If you couldn't see the photo radar from a distance before getting caught, maybe you shouldn't be complaining about the ticket.

Even on the highway, I can figure out whether there's someone in the car from a distance unless the windows are tinted into oblivion. Usually you can also tell via exhaust or lights. The rule is basically change lanes and keep driving speed limit or slow down if you're in the adjacent lane. If someone can't figure out if someone is in the car adjacent to their lane, slow the hell down or change lanes. If they complain that's too hard. I wonder if situational awareness as part of their driving skill is inadequate.

People don't even know how traffic lights work these days, it's gotta be kept simple. Yesterday I watched a lady slow and come to a stop at a green light, then just sit there until it turned red.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

People don't even know how traffic lights work these days, it's gotta be kept simple. Yesterday I watched a lady slow and come to a stop at a green light, then just sit there until it turned red.

Then by that logic, shouldn't the rule be what I described? Lots of people who might hurt themselves trying to figure out if the vehicle is a normal vehicle or a tow truck or ghost car.

Any vehicle with flashing lights, please slow to 60 kmph in adjacent lane and normal speeds in the further lanes.

Because currently, it kinda sounds like specified vehicles with flashing colored lights, it's slow down. But normal people amber lights, keep up the pace.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Even on the highway, I can figure out whether there's someone in the car from a distance unless the windows are tinted into oblivion.

I'm not going back to read every post to see if this is the case, but are you saying you can tell if someone is in a car parked on the side of the road, regardless of any condition aside from window tint?

Because that's definitely bologna.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not going back to read every post to see if this is the case, but are you saying you can tell if someone is in a car parked on the side of the road, regardless of any condition aside from window tint?

Because that's definitely bologna.

Parallel to the road on a highway or on Deerfoot/Stony? Typically yes. It's not hard to figure out to 8-9/10 accuracy. Especially in winter. The exhaust on an ICE vehicle is a dead giveaway there's probably someone inside.

From lights, exhaust, shadow of occupant, to angle of pulling over, there's a few tells that give me an idea if there's someone inside. Then when I get within a few hundred metres, I can see their shadows inside unless the windows are super tinted or you can't see through the back (ie: delivery van).

Off on the side of the road (ie: if they're going on some hike). No, I cannot.

My driving instructor taught me how to do this so that I could float my foot over the brake. I was to use this skill any time there was a vehicle pulled over in a place that didn't make sense to reduce the risk of accidentally taking out someone's car door (if they open without checking) or hitting someone running around the car to get into it. Why are so many posters acting like it's an unrealistic skill like x-ray vision?

I mean... unrealistic skill wise, many people act like everyone has eyes in the back of their heads when they're backing up. It was supposed to be slow down and yield, but now it seems like it's speed up, honk and swerve around the obstruction slowly backing out.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not going back to read every post to see if this is the case, but are you saying you can tell if someone is in a car parked on the side of the road, regardless of any condition aside from window tint?

Because that's definitely bologna.

Could drive with some sort of Predator style thermal goggles on. You don’t know.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Parallel to the road on a highway or on Deerfoot/Stony? Typically yes. It's not hard to figure out to 8-9/10 accuracy. Especially in winter. The exhaust on an ICE vehicle is a dead giveaway there's probably someone inside.

From lights, exhaust, shadow of occupant, to angle of pulling over, there's a few tells that give me an idea if there's someone inside. Then when I get within a few hundred metres, I can see their shadows inside unless the windows are super tinted or you can't see through the back (ie: delivery van).

Off on the side of the road (ie: if they're going on some hike). No, I cannot.

My driving instructor taught me how to do this so that I could float my foot over the brake. I was to use this skill any time there was a vehicle pulled over in a place that didn't make sense to reduce the risk of accidentally taking out someone's car door (if they open without checking) or hitting someone running around the car to get into it. Why are so many posters acting like it's an unrealistic skill like x-ray vision?

I mean... unrealistic skill wise, many people act like everyone has eyes in the back of their heads when they're backing up. It was supposed to be slow down and yield, but now it seems like it's speed up, honk and swerve around the obstruction slowly backing out.

Because between visual obstructions (pillars, windows, seats) and other difficulties (speed, difference in vehicle height, approach angle, environmental factors) it is lol.

Like, my guy, you are not seeing someone's shadow when they're parked on the side of the road. Come on now.

Anyone can see lights and exhaust though. That's not a skill. They are lights.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Because between visual obstructions (pillars, windows, seats) and other difficulties (speed, difference in vehicle height, approach angle, environmental factors) it is lol.

Like, my guy, you are not seeing someone's shadow when they're parked on the side of the road. Come on now.

Anyone can see lights and exhaust though. That's not a skill. They are lights.

? Are you saying that if a car is parked on the side of a city street that you have no chance of identifying if someone is inside until you're perfectly parallel to that car? WTF kind of crazy man taught me to drive then? He taught me to combine different observations to have an idea within 3-5 seconds of passing the car.

Well, you did cut off the portion of that paragraph that literally said I check for lights and exhaust in conjunction. Are you sure you're not over extrapolating what I said out of context into this x-ray vision concept? I'm not saying I only look through the windows at 200m out and I can see if someone's inside. If I had that skill, I'd be a millionaire doing crazy shows in Vegas. I'm just a dude, taught by another dude, not to take off car doors of other stupid dudes.

Lights and exhaust are all combinations of things you add together in conjunction as higher probability to figure out if someone is in the car. Obviously when you get closer the odds of seeing inside increase and you can confirm there was someone in the car. I'm not saying I see a shadow 1 km out and know there's someone inside. I see the car, check for lights and exhaust, check for other things like door open etc., quickly scan driver side and passenger side quickly to determine if it looks mirrored. If none, might be empty. If not, probably a hint there's a shadow of a person inside. At around 8-10 car lengths away, you start getting close enough you can start searching for the shadow of someone inside.

Like I said, my driving instructor taught me this skill of combining all of these clues together in conjunction to determine if someone is inside to increase the chances I can increase my odds slam on the brakes in time to avoid taking off someone's car door. It was the skill of identifying the infinitesimally small odds that someone opens their door without looking and I can't stop in time to avoid taking it out.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

? Are you saying that if a car is parked on the side of a city street that you have no chance of identifying if someone is inside until you're perfectly parallel to that car? WTF kind of crazy man taught me to drive then? He taught me to combine different observations to have an idea within 3-5 seconds of passing the car.

Well, you did cut off the portion of that paragraph that literally said I check for lights and exhaust in conjunction. Are you sure you're not over extrapolating what I said out of context into this x-ray vision concept? I'm not saying I only look through the windows at 200m out and I can see if someone's inside. If I had that skill, I'd be a millionaire doing crazy shows in Vegas. I'm just a dude, taught by another dude, not to take off car doors of other stupid dudes.

Lights and exhaust are all combinations of things you add together in conjunction as higher probability to figure out if someone is in the car. Obviously when you get closer the odds of seeing inside increase and you can confirm there was someone in the car. I'm not saying I see a shadow 1 km out and know there's someone inside. I see the car, check for lights and exhaust, check for other things like door open etc., quickly scan driver side and passenger side quickly to determine if it looks mirrored. If none, might be empty. If not, probably a hint there's a shadow of a person inside. At around 8-10 car lengths away, you start getting close enough you can start searching for the shadow of someone inside.

Like I said, my driving instructor taught me this skill of combining all of these clues together in conjunction to determine if someone is inside to increase the chances I can increase my odds slam on the brakes in time to avoid taking off someone's car door. It was the skill of identifying the infinitesimally small odds that someone opens their door without looking and I can't stop in time to avoid taking it out.

IDK man the way you put this made it sound like you can always tell and exhaust or lights is just a bonus tell:

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Even on the highway, I can figure out whether there's someone in the car from a distance unless the windows are tinted into oblivion. Usually you can also tell via exhaust or lights.

Aren't we talking about highways here where people are going 80-120? We're not talking about the average city street.

My point is that, on a highway, without an obvious tell like lights or exhaust, you're not able to tell if someone is in the car with any degree of accuracy and you certainly aren't able to physically see a sign of that person with any time to do something about it. That's the bologna.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

IDK man the way you put this made it sound like you can always tell and exhaust or lights is just a bonus tell:



Aren't we talking about highways here where people are going 80-120? We're not talking about the average city street.

My point is that, on a highway, without an obvious tell like lights or exhaust, you're not able to tell if someone is in the car with any degree of accuracy and you certainly aren't able to physically see a sign of that person with any time to do something about it. That's the bologna.

Highways you also have less stuff to pay attention to, less cars, less stuff on the side of the roads etc. But that wasn't my intention to say I can always tell from a distance to insanely high levels of accuracy without other tells contributing to the educated guess.

Let's just agree I misspoke and it was a little bit too much hyperbole.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Let's just agree I misspoke and it was a little bit too much hyperbole.

I refuse to accept this; I was excited to know someone with super-human X-ray vision.

[PepsiFree]

Walking a statement back on the internet instead of doubling down and having an episode about it is basically as impressive as x-ray vision.