Markstrom

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Ya you can trade him for a player, it is just easier to think of trades in terms of draft capital. You can also trade whatever you get for Vladar for some help now

Goalies have never returned much outside of a few oddballs.

Georgiev who was in the same boat as Vladar returned two thirds and a fifth. Maybe Markstrom could get a 1st from a desperate contender but then you are relying on one goalie who has played 41 games and a rookie. Sounds like a good way for Treliving to announce his decision not to extend

[Buff]

Markstrom and Vladar are our goaltenders this year. Wolf is on the farm learning the pro game. Last year Wolf split duties and this year he's being given the bulk of the load so he can learn to handle the load of a starting goaltender. Don't rush things by getting rid of Markstrom because clueless fans want to see change just for the sake of change.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Trade him to Edmonton for Draisaitl and a 1st a with Kylington.

good trade for Edmonton with Campbell being the suck, Skinner already looking worn down and they Kylington would become their defacto number one defenseman

This is dumd?

I think I agree with what you were to attempting to say

But

DAMN!
SO CLOSE!!

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Goalies have never returned much outside of a few oddballs.

Georgiev who was in the same boat as Vladar returned two thirds and a fifth. Maybe Markstrom could get a 1st from a desperate contender but then you are relying on one goalie who has played 41 games and a rookie. Sounds like a good way for Treliving to announce his decision not to extend

I think Vladar can get a bit more than Georgiev did, Vladar makes 750k this year and 2.2 for next 2, Georgiev was an RFA and ended up getting 3.4. Ya I would not trade Markstrom unless Wolf somehow proves that he is already starter material.

Based on that Georgiev trade I would think Vladar could fetch a 2nd+3rd+5th, that combined with our first this year would get us a really good top 6 forward (but I would prefer to keep our first).

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Buff

Markstrom and Vladar are our goaltenders this year. Wolf is on the farm learning the pro game. Last year Wolf split duties and this year he's being given the bulk of the load so he can learn to handle the load of a starting goaltender. Don't rush things by getting rid of Markstrom because clueless fans want to see change just for the sake of change.

Wolf played 47 games last year and Werner played 21, that is the bulk, he has nothing to prove in the minors. Show me a goalie with Wolf stats who was kept in the minors for 2+ years. But ya don't trade Markstrom

[Flames_Gimp]

A get rid of Markstrom thread when he is finally playing well again? I don't get it.

how much left on contract? if it's ending soon, we should play out the contract and then go with vlad/wolf and see what happens imo

[Naitix]

Either way one of the goalies is getting traded at some point in the next 2.5 years, otherwise Wolf would only come up in 2.5 years, that is too long

[Yeah_Baby]

I enjoy threads like this because we all get to support the OP's shame kink

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Naitix

I think Vladar can get a bit more than Georgiev did, Vladar makes 750k this year and 2.2 for next 2, Georgiev was an RFA and ended up getting 3.4. Ya I would not trade Markstrom unless Wolf somehow proves that he is already starter material.

Based on that Georgiev trade I would think Vladar could fetch a 2nd+3rd+5th, that combined with our first this year would get us a really good top 6 forward (but I would prefer to keep our first).

Why'd Georgiev be worth less than Vladar? He has a better history and pedigree than Vladar.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why'd Georgiev be worth less than Vladar? He has a better history and pedigree than Vladar.

Mostly because of cap savings, but this theoretical trade return would only apply if Vladar gets more starts and plays the way he has been paying before Markstrom took over.

[Flames_Gimp]

gaa 2.79, good nhl goalies should be 2.00-2.70 so he's not too bad at 2.79 and sv% is almost back to .900 at .895, he's going the right direction stats wise.

Just had an oilers fan tell me that skinner is WAY better than markstom but marky has better GAA and more wins skinner with slightly better sv%, i would say they closer to being the same than skinner being way better.

Marky needs to keep having some good games and the sv% will come

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Mostly because of cap savings, but this theoretical trade return would only apply if Vladar gets more starts and plays the way he has been paying before Markstrom took over.

Vladar is young, huge, cheap and friendly contract, has something to prove and he moves like a cat. He lives in the Altadore area, have seen him a few times at the Safeway...he is at least 6'8".

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Wolf played 47 games last year and Werner played 21, that is the bulk, he has nothing to prove in the minors. Show me a goalie with Wolf stats who was kept in the minors for 2+ years. But ya don't trade Markstrom

Show me the long list of goalie prospects that break into the league at age 21/22 years old and just run with it. I would imagine the list of failed experiments in that regard is substantially longer than the list of success stories. Seasoning a goalie in the AHL is as much about playing time as it is about physically and mentally maturing to the point where you can handle the load of playing significant NHL games, adversity and all that comes with it.

When you're 3rd on the depth chart like Wolf is, you need to be ready when something goes awry (injury/illness etc). This is often when you get the opportunity to showcase that you truly belong. The 2 guys Infront of him deserve the benefit of the doubt because coming in and vastly outperforming them at this point is pretty unlikely.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Vladar is young, huge, cheap and friendly contract, has something to prove and he moves like a cat. He lives in the Altadore area, have seen him a few times at the Safeway...he is at least 6'8".

What kind of vegetables does he eat?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Yikes

So if we have the balls (which I doubt), we run with Vladar and bring up Wolf. What is the return on moving Markstrom if he has indeed "turned the corner"?


Time to buy out the guy in Sweden as well...enough is enough.

I have a hard time taking it as a serious discussion, and an attempt to think outside the box instead of trolling. That said, here's my take:

Markstrom has a NMC, and I don't think he would be open to moving. Even if he does agree to waive his NMC, you would absolutely be selling low on a guy. Furthermore, Vladar has never played as a number 1, and I think that you're underestimating at how good Markstrom has been for him. You can see Markstrom being the veteran presence on the bench during games, steadying and encouraging Vladar. Wolf is also largely untested, and I think he would benefit from having another veteran around, which Vladar will be in a couple of years.

As for Kylington, what would buying him out accomplish? Cap space is only good if you're going to use it, and I'm not sure which upgrade you have in mind. Besides buying him out seems like kicking a guy when he's down, I don't know what he's going through, but I think there's a reason the Flames are so supportive(i.e they know something we don't). I don't get how you as a fan want to make a pretend informed decision without having any information.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Wolf is untouchable

Is he? He's probably the most compelling trade chip the team has outside of Coronato.

I'm not advocating for a Wolf trade by any means, but with the emergence of Vladar as a steady backup and possible starter in the making, it makes you wonder.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Really need to add the opposite of the like button.

Xenforo has something like that, where you can just like posts with thumbs down emojis

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Is he? He's probably the most compelling trade chip the team has outside of Coronato.

I'm not advocating for a Wolf trade by any means, but with the emergence of Vladar as a steady backup and possible starter in the making, it makes you wonder.

I think he is, he is our best prospect and in my opinion a future star. I know goalies are unpredictable but I honestly only can see an injury derail Wolfs career. I would way rather have Wolf than Vladar long term.

[iggyloob12]

All I'm saying is we have a GM who isn't afraid to make big trades. I don't think we have an untouchable prospect.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Is he? He's probably the most compelling trade chip the team has outside of Coronato.

I'm not advocating for a Wolf trade by any means, but with the emergence of Vladar as a steady backup and possible starter in the making, it makes you wonder.

I think Pelletier and Zary probably have more value because of the positions. When’s the last time a goalie prospect returned something awesome or was the key piece in a trade. I really can’t think of many examples.