12-08-2022, 12:45 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Wasn't a good signing to begin with and it certainly doesn't look any better now. To me the most logical move is to drop Dube down to the 4th line and insert Philips with Kadri and Mangiapane.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what's in store for the lineup, but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the team to play Philips down the lineup when they've recently said a few times that they need to be playing guys like him, Ruzicka etc where they can actually succeed.
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12-08-2022, 12:46 PM
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#42
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Rooney has literally been below replacement level his entire career. A general manager should have known this.
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So was Erik Gubranson and he worked out great for us.
No such thing as a 4th-liner UFA signing that's a guarantee of above-replacement-level play. You're always gambling on a player with flaws that you can get more out of them.
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12-08-2022, 12:47 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Every year the GM is likely going to have one acquisition go bad. Last year it was trading a 4th for Pitlick and a cap hit that I think was 1.75 million...this year it's the Rooney signing.
Really not bad...much progress since the James Neal mess!
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I would argue given the Flames cap position that depth spots should have been filled from within. I just don't understand why any GM would consider free agency for 4th line depth spots unless we are talking league min salary.
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12-08-2022, 12:53 PM
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#44
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I would argue given the Flames cap position that depth spots should have been filled from within. I just don't understand why any GM would consider free agency for 4th line depth spots unless we are talking league min salary.
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This has been my biggest issue with the GM over the years, and even more when the team is so tightly against the cap.
Flagging Rooney as any sort of answer to the teams 4th line depth and whiffing so badly is just weird when you've got several options in the minors, plus Lucic, Lewis and Ritchie already in the plans.
If he's willing to cut his losses and correct it now, that makes up for it in my mind. So I'm glad to see they are on the same page - the team can be getting a lot more from it's 4th line with different personnel.
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12-08-2022, 01:00 PM
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#45
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First Line Centre
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@ryanlesliemedia
With Rooney on waivers…wonder if he may just need a reset & get some minutes to get his game back. With Rooney being a center…keep an eye out for Radim Zohorna. Treliving adamant to get some young players some looks and integrated.
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12-08-2022, 01:00 PM
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#46
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#1 Goaltender
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Not surprised. Probably the most average hockey player I’ve ever seen. Everything about his game is about as average as it gets as this level. Weird how eager the team was in signing him this past offseason.
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12-08-2022, 01:01 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I would argue given the Flames cap position that depth spots should have been filled from within. I just don't understand why any GM would consider free agency for 4th line depth spots unless we are talking league min salary.
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Nobody knew at the time that Kadri would be available to sign here. I think Rooney was signed as an option to play on the third line of a rebuilding team, in case things went that way.
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12-08-2022, 01:03 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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The signing made sense. The contract didn’t.
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12-08-2022, 01:07 PM
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#49
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I would argue given the Flames cap position that depth spots should have been filled from within. I just don't understand why any GM would consider free agency for 4th line depth spots unless we are talking league min salary.
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It's free depth up to 1.125M.
If the owners don't mind it not working out and having to pay full salaries on the farm then why wouldn't you?
Isn't Rooney the perfect example? They think they see something. To this point they look like they were wrong, but send him down and have 0.175M on the cap.
Rash of injuries and they still likely have the player to recall.
I think people get way too upset about bottom roster players.
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12-08-2022, 01:08 PM
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Signed to a 2-year, $2.6 million contract this July. Done and dusted before Christmas.
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12-08-2022, 01:11 PM
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#51
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Burnaby
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Still no reason to ever sign him for two years. Just don’t see why this FO has a love for 13th forwards from other team. We’ve spent way too much draft picks for these types and they have never worked out. The Gubranson comparison doesn’t even work because at least he had a good draft pedigree. And goalies well they’re goalies. But Trev has shown a lot more miss than hit in picking up bottom six or even middle six forwards.
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12-08-2022, 01:18 PM
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#52
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: winnipeg
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
Rooney was definitely a panic buy from Tre.
The Flames just lost Johnny and knew that Tkachuk was leaving as well, Tre needed to shore up the forward depth with someone. In comes Rooney...
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your pic is green - is the font supposed to be green as well??
Lose Johnny and Matt - so you sign Rooney in a panic?
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12-08-2022, 01:25 PM
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#53
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasi
Still no reason to ever sign him for two years. Just don’t see why this FO has a love for 13th forwards from other team. We’ve spent way too much draft picks for these types and they have never worked out. The Gubranson comparison doesn’t even work because at least he had a good draft pedigree. And goalies well they’re goalies. But Trev has shown a lot more miss than hit in picking up bottom six or even middle six forwards.
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Neither Gudbranson nor Rooney cost any picks.
Free depth.
One worked out better than I think they even predicted, the other didn't.
These types of players are signed by all 32 teams every single summer.
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12-08-2022, 01:26 PM
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#54
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Keep Radim Zohorna down in minors and pick up Martin Kaut on waivers. Not sure the 23 year old RW has been given a fair shot in Colorado. Was the 16th OV pick in 2018 and would add some size to the lineup at 6'2 also.
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12-08-2022, 01:28 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Neither Gudbranson nor Rooney cost any picks.
Free depth.
One worked out better than I think they even predicted, the other didn't.
These types of players are signed by all 32 teams every single summer.
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You're doing it wrong
Flames are stupid - why do they sign depth players?!?
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12-08-2022, 01:34 PM
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#56
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Burnaby
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Well no it costs them some cap room and such. And yes I’d rather than just sign them as FA then pay picks for them like Pitlick and Lazar. Point being you have a minor league team and players you draft they should get their shot.
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12-08-2022, 01:36 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Who's responsible for pro scouting depth players? Last season they wasted a 4th round pick for 25 games of Pitlick and this offseason they give this guy a 2 year, $2.6 million contract despite poor advanced stats. Self inflicted wounds.
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Sometimes it's ok to take a chance on a player. Gudbranson had terrible advanced stats prior to the Flames signing him, yet he had a very strong year under Sutter's tutelage.
Sometimes these situations work out, sometimes they don't.
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12-08-2022, 01:39 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
You're doing it wrong
Flames are stupid - why do they sign depth players?!?
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Flames should go into the year with lots of empty roster spots, no depth, and have to deplete their AHL roster by rushing players into the NHL. Like the Oilers, but with tons of cap room. Think of all the Rooneys you can bring in at the deadline with all that cap space!
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12-08-2022, 01:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasi
Well no it costs them some cap room and such. And yes I’d rather than just sign them as FA then pay picks for them like Pitlick and Lazar. Point being you have a minor league team and players you draft they should get their shot.
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Every player costs cap room, whether they’re signed or drafted.
It clearly hasn’t stopped drafted players from getting their shot, so… point?
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12-08-2022, 01:40 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Every year the GM is likely going to have one acquisition go bad. Last year it was trading a 4th for Pitlick and a cap hit that I think was 1.75 million...this year it's the Rooney signing.
Really not bad...much progress since the James Neal mess!
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Carpenter for a 4th at the deadline and I would argue Jarnkok as well were misses
That's two 4th round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd for basically no production
It starts to add up
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