25 Arrested Attempting to Overthrow German Government.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

COVID and Russia, both noted leftists.

Well if you want to use COVID as a rebuttal, sure - COVID caused a ton of money printing and putting money in the hands of people, which caused inflation. I would argue the money printing and stimulus that was provided to the people was more prevalent because of far left policies.

And with Russia, again the issue of dependence on Russian oil & gas is a function of leftist policies and discouraging development in Canada, the US, and Europe. For example, if Canada had any sort of LNG export capacity, they could have at least provided some relief to countries that are currently gas hungry. Unfortunately, you see AECO trading the way it does vs. NYMEX....

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Well if you want to use COVID as a rebuttal, sure - COVID caused a ton of money printing and putting money in the hands of people, which caused inflation. I would argue the money printing and stimulus that was provided to the people was more prevalent because of far left policies.

And with Russia, again the issue of dependence on Russian oil & gas is a function of leftist policies and discouraging development in Canada, the US, and Europe. For example, if Canada had any sort of LNG export capacity, they could have at least provided some relief to countries that are currently gas hungry. Unfortunately, you see AECO trading the way it does vs. NYMEX....

We had a conservative government for 9 years including 4 as a majority government. Why didn’t they create the appropriate LNG capacity then?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We had a conservative government for 9 years including 4 as a majority government. Why didn’t they create the appropriate LNG capacity then?

I absolutely loathe this argument.

Liberals have been in power since 2015. Shale gas started being a thing in the US around 2007, and Canada's shale gas resources (Montney/Duvernay) are a bit more difficult to extract than the US stuff, and a lot more difficult to get to market, given the geography. The large fracs required for adequate exploitation of these resources didn't really start being a thing until 2016/2017 (after the Liberals were in power). It took time for technology to catch up to how best to develop the resource.

So to answer your question, a lot of these projects did try and get off the ground in the early 2010s under a conservative government, but the well results weren't quite good enough to support the billions of dollars of investment needed. That's changed over the last 5-6 years, but (leftist) policies have made it too difficult and onerous to get a terminal built in a reasonable amount of time.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I absolutely loathe this argument.

Liberals have been in power since 2015. Shale gas started being a thing in the US around 2007, and Canada's shale gas resources (Montney/Duvernay) are a bit more difficult to extract than the US stuff, and a lot more difficult to get to market, given the geography. The large fracs required for adequate exploitation of these resources didn't really start being a thing until 2016/2017 (after the Liberals were in power). It took time for technology to catch up to how best to develop the resource.

So to answer your question, a lot of these projects did try and get off the ground in the early 2010s under a conservative government, but the well results weren't quite good enough to support the billions of dollars of investment needed. That's changed over the last 5-6 years, but (leftist) policies have made it too difficult and onerous to get a terminal built in a reasonable amount of time.

And your position is that this one issue is responsible entirely for the current inflation/affordability crisis?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And your position is that this one issue is responsible entirely for the current inflation/affordability crisis?

I didn't say that in any of my posts. This question was asked by Monahammer:

"Ok since no one was able to answer my Left-wing threat question, please instead just identify one single issue that's larger on the world's plate than rising right wing ideological extremism."

And my response was literally:

"I would say the current inflation/affordability crisis is at least partly caused by the increase in energy prices, which is definitely a function of far-left ideology. I would also say this is a bigger problem for the world than 25 far right losers in Germany trying to overthrow the government."

And while energy prices aren't the ONLY issue in the inflation/affordability crisis, I would argue that it is the largest part. It literally affects every part of everything we do. It raises the prices of raw materials for almost everything we own, it raises the prices of transportation to get us every good we need, and it raises the prices of the energy we need to survive a winter in the country of Canada.

If you don't want to take my word for it, take a look at the change in CPI based on category:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ture-category/

What are the first four categories here?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I didn't say that in any of my posts. This question was asked by Monahammer:

"Ok since no one was able to answer my Left-wing threat question, please instead just identify one single issue that's larger on the world's plate than rising right wing ideological extremism."

And my response was literally:

"I would say the current inflation/affordability crisis is at least partly caused by the increase in energy prices, which is definitely a function of far-left ideology. I would also say this is a bigger problem for the world than 25 far right losers in Germany trying to overthrow the government."

And while energy prices aren't the ONLY issue in the inflation/affordability crisis, I would argue that it is the largest part. It literally affects every part of everything we do. It raises the prices of raw materials for almost everything we own, it raises the prices of transportation to get us every good we need, and it raises the prices of the energy we need to survive a winter in the country of Canada.

If you don't want to take my word for it, take a look at the change in CPI based on category:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ture-category/

What are the first four categories here?

My point is that the current inflation/affordability crisis is also caused by COVID, Russia, right wing ideology, etc.

So I’m confused as to why you brought up left wing ideology at all. As a retort to right wing extremism? Well, I don’t really buy that argument. As an example of a bigger issue than extremism? Maybe in the short term, though the issue is also cause by right wing extremism.

I guess it’s just unclear how you provided an answer to what the poster was asking at all, because he wasn’t asking for an example of a bigger problem than “25 far right losers in Germany.” You understand that, right?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

My point is that the current inflation/affordability crisis is also caused by COVID, Russia, right wing ideology, etc.

So I’m confused as to why you brought up left wing ideology at all. As a retort to right wing extremism? Well, I don’t really buy that argument. As an example of a bigger issue than extremism? Maybe in the short term, though the issue is also cause by right wing extremism.

I guess it’s just unclear how you provided an answer to what the poster was asking at all, because he wasn’t asking for an example of a bigger problem than “25 far right losers in Germany.” You understand that, right?

Monahammer directly asked a question about there being a bigger problem than far-right extremism and also asked earlier in the thread about any far-left extremism doing more harm than far-right. I answered the question and said that the inflation/affordability is a bigger problem because it affects every single human in the world.

You tried to rebut that claim by saying COVID & Russia are the cause of this crisis, and I again answered why far-left policies have contributed to both the COVID and Russia issues, exacerbating the inflation/affordability crisis.

You keep moving the goalposts on the discussion, and then ask why we're shooting on a different net....

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Matata

Endless wars and genocide? Economic subjugation of 3rd world countries? The increasing wealth gap? The corporatization of politics?

Did someone just quote the entire GOP policy agenda?

[JohnnyB]

Climate change is cleary the biggest issue the world faces and threatens far more people than the rise of right-wing ideology.

The risk of the world being divided into conflicting blocks with elevated risk of real military conflict between nuclear powers is number two.

The problems of right wing ideology don't come close to those two problems, though they may contribute to both of those big problems getting worse.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### I love that sketch it never gets old.

The ability to find an exceptional amount of humor in that situation scratches an itch of mine.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

COVID and Russia, both noted leftists.

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Monahammer directly asked a question about there being a bigger problem than far-right extremism and also asked earlier in the thread about any far-left extremism doing more harm than far-right. I answered the question and said that the inflation/affordability is a bigger problem because it affects every single human in the world.

You tried to rebut that claim by saying COVID & Russia are the cause of this crisis, and I again answered why far-left policies have contributed to both the COVID and Russia issues, exacerbating the inflation/affordability crisis.

You keep moving the goalposts on the discussion, and then ask why we're shooting on a different net....

What about COVID spending was far left? Almost every government of an advanced nation in the world engaged in similar spending. Hell, our current definitely not far left provincial government is about to engage in yet another straight cash hand out to 60% of the population.

Russia's war against Ukraine is pretty obviously not a left-wing policy. I would counter that it's clearly a symptom of the exact same right-wing ideological problems that led to this german coup attempt: there's a small, concentrated group with a tenuous hold on power and they're inciting nationalist/ racial view points in order to fortify/galvanize their remaining power base.

The goal posts haven't moved, you've just identified two points that could be considered far-right, so don't fit my ask.

Someone else answered climate change; hysterical, so we're willing to admit en masse that human caused climate change is a problem then?

Healthcare capacity issues: likely caused by many years of consistent underspending due to right-wing ideological issues, and exasperated by ongoing supply problems globally

Affordability: very likely the result of ongoing supply chain problems caused by COVID, then further exasperated by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Monetary supply issues are secondary problem of inflation right now, that's why interest rate increases are having minute effects.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Someone else answered climate change; hysterical, so we're willing to admit en masse that human caused climate change is a problem then?

Something doesn't need to be admitted en masse as a problem for it to be a problem. What's hysterical about that?

[PeteMoss]

Noted left wing country Turkey has inflation rate of like 85.5%.

Its nonsense to dictate this inflation to left or right wing governments. Trump was firing out cheques to everyone in his country during covid.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Monahammer directly asked a question about there being a bigger problem than far-right extremism and also asked earlier in the thread about any far-left extremism doing more harm than far-right. I answered the question and said that the inflation/affordability is a bigger problem because it affects every single human in the world.

You tried to rebut that claim by saying COVID & Russia are the cause of this crisis, and I again answered why far-left policies have contributed to both the COVID and Russia issues, exacerbating the inflation/affordability crisis.

You keep moving the goalposts on the discussion, and then ask why we're shooting on a different net....

Right, but far-right policies have contributed equally or more to COVID and Russia issues than far-left ones, so your point is irrelevant and doesn’t get you closer to answering the question. The entire “Russia issue” is a far-right one, the point that some left wing policies made it more difficult to negate the negative effects of the “Russia issue” is not making the argument you think it is. You’ve yet to even touch on anything resembling “far left extremism.”

The goalposts didn’t move. You put the ball down at midfield and pretended it was a touchdown. I don’t know if you misunderstood the ask or the conversation, but it seems like you did.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Right, but far-right policies have contributed equally or more to COVID and Russia issues than far-left ones, so your point is irrelevant and doesn’t get you closer to answering the question. The entire “Russia issue” is a far-right one, the point that some left wing policies made it more difficult to negate the negative effects of the “Russia issue” is not making the argument you think it is. You’ve yet to even touch on anything resembling “far left extremism.”

The goalposts didn’t move. You put the ball down at midfield and pretended it was a touchdown. I don’t know if you misunderstood the ask or the conversation, but it seems like you did.

No, I didn't misunderstand the ask or conversation, I just understand the nuance of the problem better than you do, and it's difficult to have an informed conversation when someone doesn't have any understanding of underlying issues, just "right wing bad, left wing good!". (And for the record, I hate both sides)

The world is a lot less linear than X is a cause of Y, so X is the only cause of Y.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

No, I didn't misunderstand the ask or conversation, I just understand the nuance of the problem better than you do, and it's difficult to have an informed conversation when someone doesn't have any understanding of underlying issues, just "right wing bad, left wing good!". (And for the record, I hate both sides)

The world is a lot less linear than X is a cause of Y, so X is the only cause of Y.

lol what are you talking about?

You tried to frame the inflation/affordability issue, COVID, and Russia as “left wing” and I brought up the “equal or greater” influence of right wing ideology on these issues, and you’re pretending you understand nuance better? Do you understand what nuance is? Because it isn’t “these things are all the fault of this side,” and you’re the only one saying that. You even “loathed” Conservatives being brought up in relation to our lack of LNG export capacity. A truly brilliant display of nuance and “X is not the only cause of Y!” on your part.

If you believe you were the one bringing nuance then you absolutely misunderstood the ask, the question, and what anyone else was saying. Pretending you are having a difficult time having a conversation because it’s other people who don’t understand the issues is a little rich for my blood. Maybe take a lap and try again?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Hmmm… government transfers accounts for about 0.45% of rise of inflation since end of 2019. Who knew…

https://twitter.com/user/status/1600565184355258368

https://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/abo...r-5--2022.html

Shamelessly stole this from another thread as it perfectly exemplifies why the current affordability crisis has almost nothing at all to do with domestic COVID spending or money handouts, even if you do seem to believe these are evil leftist ideological policies.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol what are you talking about?

You tried to frame the inflation/affordability issue, COVID, and Russia as “left wing” and I brought up the “equal or greater” influence of right wing ideology on these issues, and you’re pretending you understand nuance better? Do you understand what nuance is? Because it isn’t “these things are all the fault of this side,” and you’re the only one saying that. You even “loathed” Conservatives being brought up in relation to our lack of LNG export capacity. A truly brilliant display of nuance and “X is not the only cause of Y!” on your part.

If you believe you were the one bringing nuance then you absolutely misunderstood the ask, the question, and what anyone else was saying. Pretending you are having a difficult time having a conversation because it’s other people who don’t understand the issues is a little rich for my blood. Maybe take a lap and try again?

You're the one that brought up COVID and Russia - I told you why leftist policies have exacerbated those issues.

You're the one that brought up the Conservative government - I told you why that wasn't applicable and why the current government has failed to do anything to make it better.

You're the one that questioned if energy actually has much of an impact on inflation/affordability - I provided a link that showed that things related to energy saw the highest rates of inflation.

Everything I've stated is a response to your asinine, unresearched, uninformed opinions, but sure, you clearly understand nuance.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

You're the one that brought up COVID and Russia - I told you why leftist policies have exacerbated those issues.

You're the one that brought up the Conservative government - I told you why that wasn't applicable and why the current government has failed to do anything to make it better.

You're the one that questioned if energy actually has much of an impact on inflation/affordability - I provided a link that showed that things related to energy saw the highest rates of inflation.

Everything I've stated is a response to your asinine, unresearched, uninformed opinions, but sure, you clearly understand nuance.

You mean I was the one who brought up nuance (COVID, Russia, LNG expansion under Conservatives) and you told me it was actually irrelevant or somehow leftists? Yeah, I know. That’s why I’m laughing at your whining about nuance and “X is not always the cause of Y!!” nonsense.

As for the bolded, no I didn’t. And given that I didn’t (and didn’t suggest COVID & Russia “caused” the crisis like you previously mentioned, I just mentioned them as contributors that can’t be defined as “leftist”), I have to ask: who exactly is being asinine here? The least you could do is follow the conversation before ranting “asinine! Uniformed! Unresearched!” to cover up for your struggles.

Is it possible you just didn’t understand my point and instead decided to get upset about it anyway? Because you’re being ridiculous.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You mean I was the one who brought up nuance (COVID, Russia, LNG expansion under Conservatives) and you told me it was actually irrelevant or somehow leftists? Yeah, I know. That’s why I’m laughing at your whining about nuance and “X is not always the cause of Y!!” nonsense.

As for the bolded, no I didn’t. And given that I didn’t (and didn’t suggest COVID & Russia “caused” the crisis like you previously mentioned, I just mentioned them as contributors that can’t be defined as “leftist”), I have to ask: who exactly is being asinine here? The least you could do is follow the conversation before ranting “asinine! Uniformed! Unresearched!” to cover up for your struggles.

Is it possible you just didn’t understand my point and instead decided to get upset about it anyway? Because you’re being ridiculous.

Your points weren’t nuance. They’re dumb points people who have zero idea how things actually work bring up.

You’re totally right though, energy development under the liberals has been much more streamlined and predictable.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Your points weren’t nuance. They’re dumb points people who have zero idea how things actually work bring up.

You’re totally right though, energy development under the liberals has been much more streamlined and predictable.

Saying COVID and Russia contributed to inflation and the affordability crisis is dumb and not how things work?

Do you actually think about what you post? Literally every expert in the entire world would disagree with you.

And again, I also never said the bolded and didn’t mention anything positive OR negative about energy development under the liberals. Are you have a stroke or something? Do you need me to phone someone?