Time for a call-up from the Wranglers!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He also said they suck in the morning and played them 8 minutes the game before.

Andersson and Hanifin established themselves prior to his arrival, was he going ti sit them?

We have some skill on the farm we can try but we won't because Sutter. Unless his boys get injured I don't see a way anyone is called up and if they are they will 5 minutes a night while he tosses out Lewis to go tie the game in the last minute.

you can't just "try" guys...there is a salary cap, waivers, roster limits...its not as simple as some seem to think. Right now they need dmen from the Wranglers.

23 year old Adam Ruzicka did also play last night on the top line

[Bingo]

I don't think they can call up anyone until one of ...

1) Tanev is ready and they can send a dman down
2) They put Huberdeau on IR

Otherwise no cap space to add a body from what I understand.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think they can call up anyone until one of ...

1) Tanev is ready and they can send a dman down
2) They put Huberdeau on IR

Otherwise no cap space to add a body from what I understand.

Agreed,

Tanev is on the road trip, wonder if they will play Tanev tonight and make roster changes.....

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you can't just "try" guys...there is a salary cap, waivers, roster limits...its not as simple as some seem to think. Right now they need dmen from the Wranglers.

23 year old Adam Ruzicka did also play last night on the top line

Because he was the only option. I bet he thought long and hard about tossing Ritchie on the top line.

I don't mean when or if they call someone up the will get benched without getting a chance. This has been Darryl Sutter since 05/06 when he took a young cup finalist and started trading guys and signing stars like Tony Amomte free off a buyout and washed up Darren McCarty.

[Kasi]

I’ll give Sutter a few more games to get this effort issue fixed before I stop giving him the benefit of the doubt and think he’s more part of the problem than part of the solution. I like the guy and think he’s funny and smart but if he can’t motivate his top players than they need someone who can. It does not matter if he connects with Lucic and Lewis if he can’t with Huberdeau, Mangiapane and others.

[Burning Beard]

This turning on Sutter feels very premature and I bet you the posters will be eating crow shortly.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I’ll give Sutter a few more games to get this effort issue fixed before I stop giving him the benefit of the doubt and think he’s more part of the problem than part of the solution. I like the guy and think he’s funny and smart but if he can’t motivate his top players than they need someone who can. It does not matter if he connects with Lucic and Lewis if he can’t with Huberdeau, Mangiapane and others.

Are you going to tell him he's on the clock or should we find a way to pass that along?

How do you know the top players aren't motivated? I don't see an effort issue, and he's even said that in the last two days.

They're just not clicking.

Hockey is a flow game that requires a huge amount of chemistry. With all the changes they've found that chemistry elusive.

[Kasi]

I’d be happy to eat crow but I don’t like what I’m seeing now. Over reliance on bad vets, a refusal to play young players unless forced to and a fairly poor playstyle which overly relies on playing to the boards and going for high volume low quality chances. Tbh if you cropped him out of the photo now and just looked at the teams performance it kinda looks like when Gulutzan was here.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I’d be happy to eat crow but I don’t like what I’m seeing now. Over reliance on bad vets, a refusal to play young players unless forced to and a fairly poor playstyle which overly relies on playing to the boards and going for high volume low quality chances. Tbh if you cropped him out of the photo now and just looked at the teams performance it kinda looks like when Gulutzan was here.

Looks like a team with a whole new core trying to find chemistry to me. The last couple of games have been way better while dealing with major injuries. The Gulutzan comment is hilarious if you are joking...

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are you going to tell him he's on the clock or should we find a way to pass that along?

How do you know the top players aren't motivated? I don't see an effort issue, and he's even said that in the last two days.

They're just not clicking.

Hockey is a flow game that requires a huge amount of chemistry. With all the changes they've found that chemistry elusive.

We’re all just fans here and giving our opinion and all. As for motivation well there have been some signs. Like the shameful performance at the end of the Seattle game. Or the mental lapses which leads to them being rolled for 10-20 minutes at a time. Yeah I agree that chemistry is an issue but he’s also forcing players to play styles they’re not accustomed to. Huberdeau I don’t think will ever be a good fit on a Sutter team. Between that and the goaltending things do look kinda bleak.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are you going to tell him he's on the clock or should we find a way to pass that along?

How do you know the top players aren't motivated? I don't see an effort issue, and he's even said that in the last two days.

They're just not clicking.

Hockey is a flow game that requires a huge amount of chemistry. With all the changes they've found that chemistry elusive.

I agree that hockey is a flow game that requires chemistry, but how is that chemistry built when you have one of your better games and Sutter sticks to his stubborn ways of rolling 4 lines. Keeping your top players on the bench cold doesn't help build chemistry.

Right now, Sutter the coach is coaching like he is Sutter the gm and his overreliance on pluggers is being magnified even more with 5 straight losses defensive losses and unable to finish.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

This turning on Sutter feels very premature and I bet you the posters will be eating crow shortly.

It kind of feels like when he first came back in the spring of 21 and the team didn't turn it around immediately. A year later and they win the division and he gets the Jack Adams.

Don't believe the current issues are on Sutter, thats for sure.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I’d be happy to eat crow but I don’t like what I’m seeing now. Over reliance on bad vets, a refusal to play young players unless forced to and a fairly poor playstyle which overly relies on playing to the boards and going for high volume low quality chances. Tbh if you cropped him out of the photo now and just looked at the teams performance it kinda looks like when Gulutzan was here.

The Flames used a high shot volume game last season too. Did that upset you?

They finished the season top five in almost every metric.

Is your theory then ... that Sutter has now taken aside his team and emphasized even further out, worse angles, greater distance?

Or do you think the changes to the roster has the offensive flow maybe not hitting on all cylinders to start a season?

I know what makes more sense to me!

Flames are 8th in xgf60 right now. Hardly a low chance, only from the outside team. They could certainly up their hd chance rates for sure, but you don't generate 8th in xgf60 with muffins from the outside only.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I agree that hockey is a flow game that requires chemistry, but how is that chemistry built when you have one of your better games and Sutter sticks to his stubborn ways of rolling 4 lines. Keeping your top players on the bench cold doesn't help build chemistry.

Right now, Sutter the coach is coaching like he is Sutter the gm and his overreliance on pluggers is being magnified even more with 5 straight losses defensive losses and unable to finish.

As I said yesterday you could certainly point to his balanced line approach as an issue.

The Flames are one of the tightest top six vs bottom six min/game splits in hockey.

But they were last year too, and won the division.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

As I said yesterday you could certainly point to his balanced line approach as an issue.

The Flames are one of the tightest top six vs bottom six min/game splits in hockey.

But they were last year too, and won the division.

Yes, but the team didn't have a lot of roster turnover from the year prior. The top line was tearing it up to end the covid season, and they already had the chemistry, so we didn't need to get them in the flow. This year you could say the entire top 6 is playing with new players.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think they can call up anyone until one of ...

1) Tanev is ready and they can send a dman down
2) They put Huberdeau on IR

Otherwise no cap space to add a body from what I understand.

It's roster space more than cap space.

With Kylington and Stone on IR, they have a full 23 man roster. Kylington has already missed enough time that they could put him on LTIR to free up the cap space to make a recall, but they can't add any more players without sending someone down and/or putting someone else on IR.

I assume they've been reluctant to put Tanev on IR because it would mean he'd need to miss a minimum of 7 days and they were hoping he could play in the previous games. At this point, he has already missed 7 days, so there's no reason to not put him on IR.

[TheScorpion]

It's also cap space. They do not have the money to recall another player unless someone goes down or on LTIR.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yes, but the team didn't have a lot of roster turnover from the year prior. The top line was tearing it up to end the covid season, and they already had the chemistry, so we didn't need to get them in the flow. This year you could say the entire top 6 is playing with new players.

I think you're agreeing with me then no?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It's also cap space. They do not have the money to recall another player unless someone goes down or on LTIR.

They can put Kylington on LTIR retroactive to the start of the season, so that's not an issue.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

This turning on Sutter feels very premature and I bet you the posters will be eating crow shortly.

"shortly" can happen any time now ... any time