Huberdeau motivated to be better ... but he hasn't been that bad

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'm not saying the situations are comparable . I'm saying I hope history repeats itself

Since the situations are not comparable, it's can't be a case of history repeating itself.

[Hack&Lube]

If I recall correctly, Florida fans were saying that Huberdeau would disappear and go invisible for stretches as well.

[Drunk Uncle]

It looks to me that Huberdeau's tendencies he brought from Florida, such as slowing the game down in the neutral zone, does not work with Sutter's system. It has been a source of turnovers and something Weeger is struggling with as well.

It takes time to reform new habits that work within the system. Once he does he'll be fine and his teammates will be better... and no, 10 games is not enough to reform habits you've had for years. If we're having this conversation 30 games in... that's a different story.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Huberdeau looks no where close to a 10M player
Has shown no play driving skills . He needs teammates to cash in his passes and they are not. Half of his passes have also been terrible.

Yeah you can make all kind of excuses but a top 10 star which some people think he is, should not have this much trouble to adjust

You don't need to make excuses. It's been 9 games! 9!

One of the most consistent producers in the last half decade will be just fine.

[Strange Brew]

I guess all we can do is evaluate the games that have been played. He hasn’t been very good, at lest not consistently.

Reasonable to predict that he will be better and when he is, I’m sure we’ll talk about that.

Not to pick on Bingo, but the comment “he’ll be fine” always GMG. Hard to define fine, but in any case , #10 probably needs to be elite for the next several years based on his role on the team.

Personally I think we’re seeing the effect of having hardly any players in their contract year.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I guess all we can do is evaluate the games that have been played. He hasn’t been very good, at lest not consistently.

Reasonable to predict that he will be better and when he is, I’m sure we’ll talk about that.

Not to pick on Bingo, but the comment “he’ll be fine” always GMG. Hard to define fine, but in any case , #10 probably needs to be elite for the next several years based on his role on the team.

Personally I think we’re seeing the effect of having hardly any players in their contract year.

What is GMG? Gives me gas? Usually I can look up abbreviations and find them quickly. That one didn't pop.

I was responding to a guy that may or not be a troll, but certainly waits with anticipation for negative Flames items. Wanted to push back.

And for me fine is well fine ... fine is Huberdeau being Huberdeau not just the average NHL player.

[Jordan!]

He seems pretty happy to be in Canada but it'll be interesting to see if the pressure keeps mounting. It's another world being in Ft. Lauderdale to Calgary. Some guys just can't handle the pressure.

[saillias]

No need to focus on Huberdeau specifically when there is so much else going wrong. For starters Hanifin-Andersson has been awful. Lindholm looks more like Midholm. The play of Mangiapane-Kadri the last 3 games. The fact that with Kylington out, our bottom pairing ends up Stone-Mackey if one more guy goes down. The thing where every goalie we face outperforms ours. Basically the collapse of all the most important pillars of the team at once. Huberdeau himself not being productive is a problem, but it's like 1 out of 6 glaring problems

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What is GMG? Gives me gas? Usually I can look up abbreviations and find them quickly. That one didn't pop.

I was responding to a guy that may or not be a troll, but certainly waits with anticipation for negative Flames items. Wanted to push back.

And for me fine is well fine ... fine is Huberdeau being Huberdeau not just the average NHL player.

Lol - it’s from your own forum Bingo! Grinds my gears.

No issue with pushing back. I don’t like the writing off of players, it’s over the top. Huberdeau will definitely be above average.

As for how good the team will be I really don’t know.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What is GMG? Gives me gas? Usually I can look up abbreviations and find them quickly. That one didn't pop.

I was responding to a guy that may or not be a troll, but certainly waits with anticipation for negative Flames items. Wanted to push back.

And for me fine is well fine ... fine is Huberdeau being Huberdeau not just the average NHL player.

It's from the gear grinding thread. It's probably one of the most popular threads ever crated on your forum, lol.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Dougie Hamilton flat out stunk here his first 20 games

And a huge number of UFA’s have no problem adapting.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And a huge number of UFA’s have no problem adapting.

Neither Hamilton nor Huberdeau were UFA signings

Players have ups and downs...there is a reason they don't all score 80 goals and 160 points a year

Do you guys not remember Iginla looking like he forgot how to play hockey every October?

[Goriders]

Huberdeau does not look like he is having fun. No sure if he’s a Sutter hockey kind of guy.

Hopefully being injected into a fish bowl isn’t too much for him.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by saillias

No need to focus on Huberdeau specifically when there is so much else going wrong. For starters Hanifin-Andersson has been awful. Lindholm looks more like Midholm. The play of Mangiapane-Kadri the last 3 games. The fact that with Kylington out, our bottom pairing ends up Stone-Mackey if one more guy goes down. The thing where every goalie we face outperforms ours. Basically the collapse of all the most important pillars of the team at once. Huberdeau himself not being productive is a problem, but it's like 1 out of 6 glaring problems

Unfortunately, this team doesn't have the luxury to excuse their superstar LW from producing, really anything at 5-5. A lot of what you are bringing up is a direct result of not getting nearly enough from your key offensive catalyst.

I think he'll pull it together on this road trip, but it is starting to get a bit worrisome that he's not seeming to be taking steps forward.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And a huge number of UFA’s have no problem adapting.

Sure, but the fact that some have no trouble adapting does not mean it isn't a thing for the significant number that do.

Huberdeau is trying to hard, and he is thinking too much. That happens sometimes, when a player with high expectations moves to a different situation. He'll be fine, but he, more than anyone else on the team, needs a road trip - just go have fun and play.

[Strange Brew]

The names change, but the question stays the same.

if Johnny Gaudreau is your best player, can you compete for a championship?
Now insert Huberdeau and give it some time.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sure, but the fact that some have no trouble adapting does not mean it isn't a thing for the significant number that do.

Define "significant number".

I don't think it's a thing. Or at least much of a thing.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The thing about Huby is, he's an intelligent player who sees the game on a much more advanced level than most players, and relies on creativity to generate offense. If his linemates are not on the same page as him, the whole thing doesn't work. The only way this can get fixed is by him spending a lot of time with his linemates studying film and developing set plays where everyone always knows what to do ahead of time.

The one thing that worries me though is, does Huby's play style conflict with Sutter's system/philosophy?

The biggest deficiency I can see is while Huberdeau might be a creative playmaker, he struggles in our system to find any open ice at all.

This causes him to make multiple turnovers, lose possession, a bunch of nothing plays, etc.

Gaudreau was able to keep puck possession and skate into open places and anticipate where the puck was going to go. I haven't seen that from Huberdeau.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Define "significant number".

I don't think it's a thing. Or at least much of a thing.

Well it's not a definable number, as you already know, so it's a pretty disingenuous question.

Here's what we do know: it appears to happen often enough that it is regularly talked about, labeled, and common enough to be immediately understood when referenced.

But if you don't think it's a thing, cool.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well it's not a definable number, as you already know, so it's a pretty disingenuous question.

Here's what we do know: it appears to happen often enough that it is regularly talked about, labeled, and common enough to be immediately understood when referenced.

But if you don't think it's a thing, cool.

If it's a disingenuous question, it's obviously a disingenuous statement to begin with. It's was your word, not mine.

But tbh, I haven't heard it regularly talked about or seen. Star players in their prime when traded to other teams or signed as UFA's generally pick up where they left off. But that's not based on any stats I've seen, I just don't recall noticing any real correlation between trades and drop off in performance.