Liberals back-peddle from remarks about parents

[transplant99]

Apparently this is a long-standing belief among the Liberals. Parents can't make choices for their chlidren any better than the Liberals can.

"Dryden said: 'Be careful of that kind of Conservative rhetoric. Parents might not use that money on child care.' "
On Feb. 15, Dryden told the House of Commons this: "A recent study, as was cited by the Vanier Institute of the Family, has found that most moms and dads with pre-school children would prefer that one parent stay home and take primary responsibility for raising the children. ... If we asked the same group of people or any group of people ... if they would like ice cream once a week and chocolate twice a day, about the same percentage would say the same."

Yikes.
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Election...50820-sun.html

[mykalberta]

Like so many comments that are going to be made throughout this election, its a joke that more than a 1/2 a media day is spent on it. I know why its pushed - to keep the offending party on the defensive but its a joke.

Dont worry, eventually some hick from Drumheller or wherever is eventually going to be ask a question where he wont lie and that will be the end of a hopeful PC minority. - I am guessing that or the "Conservatives are dangerous" line will come out - likely the week of Jan 9.

MYK

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

That applies equally to all parties, and the sooner the Conservatives realize that, the sooner they'll stand a chance of defeating the Liberals.

And how is that unfair, exactly? Over a third of Canada's total population lives in Ontario. In fact, they're actually under represented in parliament. Alberta has a lower citizen per MP ratio than Ontario does.

See HOZ's reply.

Simple fact is, Ontario doesnt have a F'ing clue what the needs of either the Maritimes or the West are, and they don't care. A federal government that is centred around Ontario will only work to serve Ontario, damned be the rest of the country.

This is why Canada needs the EEE Senate. Ontario controls the House of Commons because of it's population, but it cannot control the government as a whole, because of the Senate. Forces all parties to represent all regions of the country, rather than just one.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

To be honest, you can't trust them! There will always be good parents and bad parents. What they do with their own money is their business, so if they want to be bad parents on their own dime, so be it. But why should tax payers pay so that mommy can go to bingo, and daddy can go drink beer? I mean, I am a liberal person, and this is even too liberal for me. How conservatives can reconcile Harper's proposal with their ideology is beyond me. Tax payers have a right and responsibility to know and control how cash handouts are spent. Isn't this one of the reasons so many here don't like the Liberals? D

And if we did this with child care, how long until welfare or health care turns into the same system?

As someone else posted in the daycare thread, if we follow your line of thinking that any childcare $$ will just be spent on Bingo & Beer, then people on welfare etc. should only receive foodstamps instead of $$, because otherwise they'll just spend the $$ on smokes on booze...

[Mr. Ski]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

To be honest, you can't trust them! There will always be good parents and bad parents. What they do with their own money is their business, so if they want to be bad parents on their own dime, so be it. But why should tax payers pay so that mommy can go to bingo, and daddy can go drink beer?

While I agree with your statement in bold above, anything beyond that is where we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree I guess. For good or bad, we're all tax payers. Anything we get back is our own dime.

Were we to evaluate every government system (at any level) based on 'if it can be abused in any way, don't do it at all' we'd have to end publicly funded health care, welfare, ei, education, really any and all programs across the board. Change the word's 'mommy' and 'daddy' to 'AISH receipient' above and you and Ralph Klien can be best of friends.

I find the no-choice Liberal plan very paternalistic: We can raise your children in mega-care better than you can any other way.

Want them in a community run day-home? No help for you!
Want a grandparent to take them during the day? No help for you!
Want to have one parent choose to stay home to raise their own kids? No help for you!

At the end of the day, one plan puts $1,200.00 towards helping my family with child care. The other two offer me nothing, and they're still on my dime.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Apparently this is a long-standing belief among the Liberals. Parents can't make choices for their chlidren any better than the Liberals can.

More on this in an opinion piece of the Winnepeg Sun

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Colu...3/1350271.html

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

See HOZ's reply.

Simple fact is, Ontario doesnt have a F'ing clue what the needs of either the Maritimes or the West are, and they don't care. A federal government that is centred around Ontario will only work to serve Ontario, damned be the rest of the country.

This is why Canada needs the EEE Senate. Ontario controls the House of Commons because of it's population, but it cannot control the government as a whole, because of the Senate. Forces all parties to represent all regions of the country, rather than just one.

Though I agree for the need of a EEE senate (and have been reading about proportional representation), and that Ontario can decide the government control the House by virture of it's 108 seats (and wish they would just stop voting Liberal), I disagree that the Feds "only work to serve Ontario". If that were so then ON would get thousands more per new Canadian (QC tops the list at over $1000 per), we would have good relations with the US as the ON/US boarder is vital to ON. For years Toronto has lamented that they have more MP government reps then anywhere else, why won;t they send money for the TTC, stadiums, refurbishing Downsview park, more cops etc.etc....

It is amazing that Burnett, Dryden and Volpe get elected - they have never done anything to improve the lot of their ridings - TTC still sucks and is in a bitter battle in Burnett's riding (she is facing off with Peter Kent), There are not enough immigration dollars in ON (if you listen to the whiners) and Volpe's riding is very heavy in New Canadian voters (and he is the immigration minister!)

As far as Ontarians not knowing or caring as to what Alberta needs -- most of them figure AB has manoey and no debt, what more could they want. I usually respond "sane government that will not treat them like hillbillies!"

[duncan]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

See HOZ's reply.

Simple fact is, Ontario doesnt have a F'ing clue what the needs of either the Maritimes or the West are, and they don't care. A federal government that is centred around Ontario will only work to serve Ontario, damned be the rest of the country.

This is why Canada needs the EEE Senate. Ontario controls the House of Commons because of it's population, but it cannot control the government as a whole, because of the Senate. Forces all parties to represent all regions of the country, rather than just one.

And some one from Alberta doesn't have a f'ing clue what the needs of Ontario, Quebec or the Maritimes are. I have family in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Ontario, Alberta, and BC. Each area laments the favourtism another area gets. Each has different needs and wants. A government that is centred around any one area, will only serve that area, it is a historical fact. Mulroney threw a ton of money and effort into Quebec, building up Hydro and Nucleur power there, and creating the Meech Lake and Charletown Accords, while his FTA almost devestated Southern Ontario. Trudeau infuriated Alberta with the NEP to the benefit of the east. Cretien spent millions trying to keep his Quebec in Canada........and it goes on and on.
The key to winning is to protray yourself as a friend to all, and Harper doesn't have that image. He is portrayed as anti-Quebec, which throws 75 seats out the window. He is seen as anti-immigrant, and over one third of Toronto is first generation Canadian....45 of 50 seats went to the Liberals, another 2 to the NDP. The second largest concentration of new immigrants was Vancouver/Victoria, which also voted Liberal. The third is Montreal, where the Tories were shut out.
Everyone there blames Ontario for the Liberals, but 60 of their 135 seats came from outside of the province of Ontario. The Conservatives lost, because they couldn't get at least 40% of the popular vote in any province or territory other than Alberta and Saskatchewan. They actually had a lower popular vote than the NDP in the Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut and Nova Scotia.

[Antithesis]

double posting

[Antithesis]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

As if the Liberals have any right to comment on the inability to properly spend money.

Talk about the height of hypocricy.

How true!

Not to mention that they really ought not to be talking to the voters about so-called "ethical issues".