[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames to add secondary scoring. Friedman: A lot of people think Toffoli

[blender]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

The Flames have done really well against pretty much everyone in the league and that is with a horrendous schedule. The Flames as a team are very well positioned to make a run. They have a multiple cup winning coach, elite 1st line, they are one of the best defensive teams in the league, and they need a scorer on the right wing. It's a perfect fit.

Maybe the Flames could sell Giroux on being Sutter's new Gaborik. Add some much needed secondary scoring to a defensive powerhouse. Look at how the Flames control play... they aren't a fluke. This team is for real and I think people around the league know it.

Corsi: 2nd
Shots For%: 3rd
Expected Goals For%: 2nd
Scoring Chances For%: 1st
Shooting % on Scoring Chances: 25th
Goal Differential: 6th

Here are the Flames numbers against the top 10 in the NHL by Pts%:

Team / H2H Record / GF-GA
Colorado (0-0-0) 0-0
Carolina (0-1-1) 4-8
Florida (1-1-0) 7-7
*Toronto (0-0-1) 1-2
*Tampa (0-1-0) 1-4
Minnesota (0-0-0) 0-0
NY Rangers (2-0-0) 11-1
Pittsburgh (2-0-0) 6-1
Nashville (0-0-0) 0-0
St. Louis (1-1-0) 8-6

*Only home games remaining versus Toronto and Tampa Bay
Overall Record: 6-4-2
5 Home games 7 Road Games
GF 38 - GA 29

Also for Giroux, he is not a realistic option for the Avs or Lightning imo. According to Cap Friendly they are currently over the salary ceiling and are actually losing the little cap space they have as we approach the trade deadline. So to fit Giroux's 8M they need to move out salary in the trade, which seems risky to do to a first place team or back to back cup Champs, and they probably need to pay the Flyers and possibly a third team to retain salary.

Meanwhile, the Flames are projected to have $5.56M at the deadline and could do it with just the Flyers retaining salary.

Probably won't happen, but if it doesn't because Giroux is trying to pick a better spot then I think he'd be a fool.

Great post, Thanks.
Another point is that these players are competitive and they want to be the guy that makes it happen, not just an extra along for the ride. The opportunity to play a key role is a powerful motivator.

[Indomitable]

but honestly, when has the salary cap been an adverse consideration for any team attempting to win the cup in the past few years?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Indomitable

but honestly, when has the salary cap been an adverse consideration for any team attempting to win the cup in the past few years?

Every single time.

[Indomitable]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Every single time.

Tampa did it, I guarantee you that Vegas will do it. Circumventing the Cap is the new cap compliance. They won't do anything so long as it is an American team that does it

[Samonadreau]

Lots of Giroux love here but Pavelski is the Golden Nugget.

Wont happen but thats the dream

[Indomitable]

That is literally the business model of the NHL. Money, Money, Money dollars, etc

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Meier is awesome, but he has a $10M qualifying offer

Luckily that is the same off-season that Monahan and Lucic are off the books. I also don’t think he will cost that much on a longer term contract, but it’s hard to gauge.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Indomitable

Tampa did it, I guarantee you that Vegas will do it.

So… one alleged case if you buy the silly conspiracy theory about Kucherov, and one case that hasn't even happened, out of 256 teams that have made the playoffs in the cap era? Yup, every single contender breaks the cap, all right.

Circumventing the Cap is the new cap compliance. They won't do anything so long as it is an American team that does it

Add some more tinfoil to that hat, man. You don't look Canadian enough.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Indomitable

Tampa did it, I guarantee you that Vegas will do it. Circumventing the Cap is the new cap compliance. They won't do anything so long as it is an American team that does it

Tampa didn’t do anything except maybe delay Kucherov’s return by a week or two when he recovered faster than they expected. They didn’t put anyone on LTIR that wasn’t qualified to go on (unless you think Kucherov faked his surgery).

[shadowlord]

One thing I'll say about Treliving is that at least his gauge on what the team needs are close to how we feel on CP...

If I had a nickle for every time I'd think the team needs a centre or a defenceman and a past GM would go out and get a winger or something which doesn't seem to address a need.

[Indomitable]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So… one alleged case if you buy the silly conspiracy theory about Kucherov, and one case that hasn't even happened, out of 256 teams that have made the playoffs in the cap era? Yup, every single contender breaks the cap, all right.



Add some more tinfoil to that hat, man. You don't look Canadian enough.

Am I supposed to dredge up all of the information for you or are you too lazy to look that up for yourself? Are we supposed to believe that Kucherov wasn't able to skate before the end of the season? Multiple reports showed him skating before the playoffs. Even having a normal jersey (ie not a non contact jersey) Are we really doing this again? All the data is there for you. Maybe? Maybe it's been deleted by now. Maybe not now, maybe you missed all of it and you can't find it in yourself to believe that they fudged their numbers. Good for you. Except if you choose not to question the almost literal "impossible" (ie Kucherov being healthy for "just" the playoffs) then maybe you should question how Canadian you are. Canadian's don't cheat in hockey. We may cheat the game within the game (see Esposito Summit Series) but we do not cheat the system nor cheat within the system.

[Indomitable]

Originally Posted by Indomitable

Am I supposed to dredge up all of the information for you or are you too lazy to look that up for yourself? Are we supposed to believe that Kucherov wasn't able to skate before the end of the season? Multiple reports showed him skating before the playoffs. Even having a normal jersey (ie not a non contact jersey) Are we really doing this again? All the data is there for you. Maybe? Maybe it's been deleted by now. Maybe not now, maybe you missed all of it and you can't find it in yourself to believe that they fudged their numbers. Good for you. Except if you choose not to question the almost literal "impossible" (ie Kucherov being healthy for "just" the playoffs) then maybe you should question how Canadian you are. Canadian's don't cheat in hockey. We may cheat the game within the game (see Esposito Summit Series) but we do not cheat the system nor cheat within the system.

but the actual question I asked was

When has the salary cap been an adverse consideration for any team attempting to win the cup in the past few years?

[djsFlames]

Giroux is great but he's not a scorer.

He'd only put up a handful of goals in the remainder of the season. And what good is him setting up our 'shooters' who can't hit a soccer net as is? Giroux is first and foremost a playmaker. Not to say I wouldnt want him here, but I'm not sure he's the best fit for this team's (maybe ONLY) glaring weakness - finish.

Need someone with a shot, preferably a center who's better than Backlund.

Pavs checks the boxes.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

One thing I'll say about Treliving is that at least his gauge on what the team needs are close to how we feel on CP...

If I had a nickle for every time I'd think the team needs a centre or a defenceman and a past GM would go out and get a winger or something which doesn't seem to address a need.

And he has been aggressive in his attempts to add forward depth to the team over the last few years… Stone, Kadri, Zucker, Eichel. Falling short (or in kadri’s case, getting vetoed by his NMC) really sucks and I’m not giving him a free pass of” at least he tried”. I’m just saying he does have a track record of going after what this team needs the last few years. Hoping one of the attempts will finally work out and really hoping it’s this year.


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[ForeverFlameFan]

I don't see Pavs on the market with the Stars still in the playoff race.

[Indomitable]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tampa didn’t do anything except maybe delay Kucherov’s return by a week or two when he recovered faster than they expected. They didn’t put anyone on LTIR that wasn’t qualified to go on (unless you think Kucherov faked his surgery).

Didn't do anything... you literally quoted what they did.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

One thing I'll say about Treliving is that at least his gauge on what the team needs are close to how we feel on CP...

If I had a nickle for every time I'd think the team needs a centre or a defenceman and a past GM would go out and get a winger or something which doesn't seem to address a need.

Quite frankly depth scoring is the one hole. The Flames are near the top of the league with their goaltending and first line. They have an excess amount of defensemen. A 60 second line forward is a pretty glaring need.

In previous years, there's always been multiple big holes.

[Indomitable]

The Flames aren't going to make any kind of splash. There are no facilities here to make someone want to come. The allure of the mountains won't be enough to get anyone to come. Not for the next few years anyway. Our team is our team and it will be that for the next few years. Those that will walk, will walk. Reality dictates as such.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Indomitable

Am I supposed to dredge up all of the information for you or are you too lazy to look that up for yourself?

Sorry, I thought you only had one piece of information, and that is easily debunked.

Are we supposed to believe that Kucherov wasn't able to skate before the end of the season? Multiple reports showed him skating before the playoffs. Even having a normal jersey (ie not a non contact jersey) Are we really doing this again? All the data is there for you.

He played when he was cleared to play. You know perfectly well that skating, even practising in a regular jersey, does not mean you are immediately fit to play after a layoff of several months. Except when it's Tampa, and then suddenly it becomes the Bavarian Illuminati taking over the world.

Maybe? Maybe it's been deleted by now. Maybe not now, maybe you missed all of it and you can't find it in yourself to believe that they fudged their numbers.

So you're still banging on about one case.

Good for you. Except if you choose not to question the almost literal "impossible" (ie Kucherov being healthy for "just" the playoffs)

What's impossible about that? He returned to play almost exactly at the time his doctors predicted he would be ready.

then maybe you should question how Canadian you are.

Me? I live in Canada. I don't consider myself Canadian, because I am perfectly well aware that my country hates me and has no use for me. I just haven't got the means to go anywhere else.

Canadian's don't cheat in hockey.

Canadians invented cheating in hockey – probably the same day they invented the game itself.

We may cheat the game within the game (see Esposito Summit Series) but we do not cheat the system nor cheat within the system.

What self-righteous twaddle. Are you familiar with the story of how the NHL got started? It was an exercise in cheating. The entire reason why the NHL was founded was to freeze out one of the owners in the old National Hockey Association and steal his players without compensation. (The NHL was originally supposed to operate for only one year while the con was being played, but the old league was so bogged down with lawsuits that they decided to keep the new league going and ditch the old one.)

There are scores of cases where Canadians have cheated the NHL system. It's been going on for more than a century. But the particular kind of cheating you're all worked up about does not exist. If the salary cap was not an obstacle for teams trying to win the Stanley Cup, the Leafs, Habs, and Rangers would find a way to ice $150-million payrolls – because those three teams could do that every year and still make a profit.

The fact that teams take full advantage of the LTIR clause (and that the clause was poorly written in the first place) does not equate to circumventing the cap. They follow the rules as written. You just don't like it and think it's an evil Yankee conspiracy to steal ‘our’ Stanley Cup, and probably ‘our’ Great Lakes as well. It isn't. Deal with it.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Indomitable

Tampa did it, I guarantee you that Vegas will do it. Circumventing the Cap is the new cap compliance. They won't do anything so long as it is an American team that does it

Didn't Chicago also do something similar with Patrick Kane as well in 2016? He had a legit injury, and then they put him on LTIR and acquired players at the TDL that added up to Kane's exact salary... then his injury miraculously healed in time for Game 1 of Round 1, where it has been initially diagnosed to recover by the 3rd round.