[News] NHL will not discipline Cheveldayoff with respect to Brad Aldrich

[dissentowner]

He was at the meeting, he knew, he tried to deny knowing anything much like JQ did, and the NHL is letting him off the hook. Now we will see how much integrity the Jets ownership has, he should be relieved of his duties immediately.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm surprised by this.

Honestly the safest route for the NHL would have just been to remove anybody that was involved in leadership in that org from their current positions.

Makes me think there must have been some evidence from Cheveldayoff or in the full report that shows that he has a reason to keep his job.

Yes but....

There is good reason to believe that Beach went to the NHLPA which means another ass in the sling is Fehr's....

And if the NHLPA knew and did nothing it stands to reason that Fehr's ass isnt the only one in that sling. Gary's would be right next to it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If McDonough say's he'll handle it, doesn't it make sense to believe it will be handled? He's top dog. Both JQ and Chevy have the same excuse. Works for one, not for the other. It's no more up to the head coach to investigate personnel issues than it is anyone else, and if his boss says he'll handle it, I'm sure he defaults to his boss.

How many head coaches are going above the President?

Chevy has no excuse here. He said and did nothing. Aldrich left and he said and did nothing. Aldrich goes on to assault a child and Chevy says and does nothing.

No it really doesn’t work for both. One was the man’s boss. One wasn’t. It’s not the same. JQ has a responsibility to make sure his direct employees aren’t assaulting people.

Do we even know Chevy knew Aldrich worked somewhere else? Did he know there were more assaults? Was Chevy, who was never involved in this investigation according to the league, supposed to take it upon himself to follow Aldrich’s life in perpetuity and conduct investigations into the man’s life? That’s a bit of a reach.

If his role was as limited as we are led to believe, he should feel bad and was part of the organizational structure that let down Beach but he’s nowhere near as culpable from an employment standpoint. He was effectively a bystander who knew about the incident.

[neo45]

This pretty much guarantees nothing will happen to Bergevin, since he wasn’t in the meeting and no evidence he lied to the media about it

Whereas Chevy WAS in the meeting and very clearly lied about when he knew

[kukkudo]

Don’t believe it as the AGM he knew everything etc. Dude should be canned immediately, what a joke. All management from that year should be banned from the league.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He was at the meeting, he knew, he tried to deny knowing anything much like JQ did, and the NHL is letting him off the hook. Now we will see how much integrity the Jets ownership has, he should be relieved of his duties immediately.

This is what’s weird. This press release seems to have made everyone forget he lied, which is what I think is the real issue here. He may not have been a main actor in the reporting of this but he for sure knew.

Instead people are losing their minds because the nhl called him not senior management.

Unfortunately I don’t think lying about knowledge of the incident is reason enough to fire him. It just makes him a scumbag liar.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No. You’re being absurd. If the Administrator’s boss, the principal and the superintendent all know and all say they’re taking action, then maybe the administrator isn’t on the hook for independently going to law enforcement about a topic they have limited knowledge of but have full reason to believe has been fully handled and investigated by the school.

People are expecting Chevy to have seen things in 2010 with the 2021 knowledge we all have now.

From what he would have known at the time, 2 people in senior positions were dealing with "it".
"It" wasn't even confirmed to be an assault at that time, it was an accusation and the other party saying something consensual had happened.

For all Chevy's knows, they may have:
A) Continued to investigate the situation
B) Met with both parties
C) Reported it to the league
D) Found it to be consensual

Knowing what we know now, it's easy to wish he had done more. But it's completely reasonable for a person in his position at that time to expect the 2 people above him and head coach would have been doing these things above.

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No it really doesn’t work for both. One was the man’s boss. One wasn’t. It’s not the same. JQ has a responsibility to make sure his direct employees aren’t assaulting people.

Do we even know Chevy knew Aldrich worked somewhere else? Did he know there were more assaults? Was Chevy, who was never involved in this investigation according to the league, supposed to take it upon himself to follow Aldrich’s life in perpetuity and conduct investigations into the man’s life? That’s a bit of a reach.

If his role was as limited as we are led to believe, he should feel bad and was part of the organizational structure that let down Beach but he’s nowhere near as culpable from an employment standpoint. He was effectively a bystander who knew about the incident.

And he (or anyone in the meeting) couldn't speak up, and ask if this individual should be ANYWHERE near the team...even on a paid leave, while they investigate???

The guy was celebrating witht he team!

[Toonage]

So he figured upper management would look after it, but never followed up? This wasn't checking to see if someone returned a library book for you. How do you just let that go?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

People are expecting Chevy to have seen things in 2010 with the 2021 knowledge we all have now.

From what he would have known at the time, 2 people in senior positions were dealing with "it".
"It" wasn't even confirmed to be an assault at that time, it was an accusation and the other party saying something consensual had happened.

For all Chevy's knows, they may have:
A) Continued to investigate the situation
B) Met with both parties
C) Reported it to the league
D) Found it to be consensual

Knowing what we know now, it's easy to wish he had done more. But it's completely reasonable for a person in his position at that time to expect the 2 people above him and head coach would have been doing these things above.

Yet when that did not transpire he still said absolutely nothing. Then he tried to lie and say he knew nothing about it initially. The Jets need to do the right thing here.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Stillman16

And he (or anyone in the meeting) couldn't speak up, and ask if this individual should be ANYWHERE near the team...even on a paid leave, while they investigate???

The guy was celebrating witht he team!

Sure of course he could. What’s your point? That’s either not enough because he should have personally kept tabs on Aldrich and gone to the police or his bosses would have just said “we investigated, it’s confidential and none of your concern or your business. That’s been dealt with. Now go back to work.”

What makes anyone think Chevy would have been able to get to the bottom of this on his own? He’s not a detective, he’s a hockey manager.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dissentowner;8043278[B

]Yet when that did not transpire he still said absolutely nothing.[/B] Then he tried to lie and say he knew nothing about it initially. The Jets need to do the right thing here.

How would he have known they didn't transpire?

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

People are expecting Chevy to have seen things in 2010 with the 2021 knowledge we all have now.

From what he would have known at the time, 2 people in senior positions were dealing with "it".
"It" wasn't even confirmed to be an assault at that time, it was an accusation and the other party saying something consensual had happened.

For all Chevy's knows, they may have:
A) Continued to investigate the situation
B) Met with both parties
C) Reported it to the league
D) Found it to be consensual

Knowing what we know now, it's easy to wish he had done more. But it's completely reasonable for a person in his position at that time to expect the 2 people above him and head coach would have been doing these things above.

I agree with this, but he should have asked, to determine this is what happened IMO. As someone who was in the meeting, he likely had a right to know the outcome.

And I still believe, someone in the room should have stepped up and said " we can't have this guy around the team, at least until this is settled"!

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not making excuses for Cheveldayoff or any opinion on whether he should be disciplined, but I don't think people should get too wrapped up in titles. NHL organizations don't always follow a strict hierarchy of power based on title. In some organizations, an AGM could be fairly low down on the totem pole where they are basically personal assistants or apprentices. They can be below a lot of people when it comes to decision making and access to information. The powers given to an employee are not automatically based on title, but are bestowed upon them. Even the power a GM has can range based on the organization. It was reported that Cheveldayoff was dismissed from the meeting before everyone else, so it is likely that they tried to keep him at arms length from the situation.

Having said that, as a human being, there was a right thing to do. There would have come a point that it would have become painfully obvious to Cheveldayoff that nothing was happening in regards to the incident, and the morally correct thing to do would be to report it against the will of the club.

That would have taken some courage and if Cheveldayoff did do it, you could be sure that the old boys club would have blacklisted him and he wouldn't be working in the NHL today. It doesn't excuse him, but it does show how hard they make it to go against the grain. This is a problem with the league and professional sports industry as a whole. Probably nowhere worse than the NHL though where everything from being drafted, developed, and hired often comes down to family and personal connections. If you don't have those connections, then you hire an agent who does. The NHL is operated like a mafia.

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Sure of course he could. What’s your point? That’s either not enough because he should have personally kept tabs on Aldrich and gone to the police or his bosses would have just said “we investigated, it’s confidential and none of your concern or your business. That’s been dealt with. Now go back to work.”

What makes anyone think Chevy would have been able to get to the bottom of this on his own? He’s not a detective, he’s a hockey manager.

He was AGM, would he not need/like to know how this was handled, so he would have the experience to draw on, if another such occurrence should happen in the future?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No it really doesn’t work for both. One was the man’s boss. One wasn’t. It’s not the same. JQ has a responsibility to make sure his direct employees aren’t assaulting people.

Do we even know Chevy knew Aldrich worked somewhere else? Did he know there were more assaults? Was Chevy, who was never involved in this investigation according to the league, supposed to take it upon himself to follow Aldrich’s life in perpetuity and conduct investigations into the man’s life? That’s a bit of a reach.

If his role was as limited as we are led to believe, he should feel bad and was part of the organizational structure that let down Beach but he’s nowhere near as culpable from an employment standpoint. He was effectively a bystander who knew about the incident.

Bowman wasn't Aldrich's boss... so what? Do we know JQ or Bowman or McDonough knew Aldrich worked somewhere else? So what?

Of course he's culpable. He knew it was happening and his belief was that it was being investigated. How does that some excuse not work for anyone but McDonough, the President, who told everyone under him he would handle it?

You're believing the NHL, an organization that did nothing about it and nothing to help Beach. The NHLPA did nothing to help Beach.

But for Chevy it's just "ah well, thought it was being handled and it wasn't my job."

I get that and find it believable, but other guys have lost their job for very little more in terms of responsibility and belief, and he didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

[Kipper_3434]

Any of management going to have their names removed from the cup and record books....also will their be a criminal investigation?

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

If you were totally certain and sure another colleague of yours was about to blow the whistle, would you still have torpedoed your career? Especially if it was someone superior to you.

The argument Gary is making is that Chevy was under the impression an investigation was happening and therefore Chevy didn't see the need to go to the cops. If Chevy knew no investigation would take place and STILL did nothing, then he's as culpable as the rest IMO.

We weren't at the meetings so we can only take Gary's statement at face value.

But that's just it, Chevy couldn't have been certain, the guy was still in the midst of everything weeks later.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

How would he have known they didn't transpire?

Oh, I don't know: He continued to see Aldrich doing his job with the team like nothing had happened?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

How would he have known they didn't transpire?

I would imagine because the guy was still a part of the team?? Wouldn't you question wtf the guy was still doing there? I would.