What is the right price for Eichel?

[TheChief]

I like it when its spicy in here!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Wow….

Awe cmon, Comic Book Guy, have you run out of minor hockey stats to compare already?

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Awe cmon, Comic Book Guy, have you run out of minor hockey stats to compare already?

Hey bud you have them all..

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Hey bud you have them all..

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Awe cmon, Comic Book Guy, have you run out of minor hockey stats to compare already?

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Keep watching scoring leader boards for your info bud, all good, it’s all good.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Keep watching scoring leader boards for your info bud, all good, it’s all good.

Do advanced stats suffice?

https://mobile.twitter.com/jfreshhoc...00331664625670

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Do advanced stats suffice?

https://mobile.twitter.com/jfreshhoc...00331664625670

They sure do, but he is a center and if we trade Monahan we need a competent center to be a decent team.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

They sure do, but he is a center and if we trade Monahan we need a competent center to be a decent team.

He is a winger currently playing center and getting caved in. Wouldn't be shocked if he was back at his normal wing position soon enough.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Wow……watch a game bud… Monahan doesn’t have negative value, that’s ridiculous. Eichel is broken with no guarantee of being 100%, we aren’t talking full value Eichel

So true, I get people want Eichel, but people forget he is seriously injured, the risk is immensely magnified because of this. He is not worth 4 first found picks, let alone unprotected 1st round picks. Trading current roster players that have a significant role on this team, only weakens the chance of this team making this year's playoffs. Monahan, valimaki and a 2023 first round pick with conditions (ie Calgary makes the 2023 playoffs or if the don't, pick becomes a 2nd round pick.

Buffalo is the one in a bind here, don't give them what they want and

[Sofa GM]

But I’m just spouting BS

[Sofa GM]

From another post…..


A while back in another thread I posted a study of athletes who had disk replacement surgery. The study was from 2007 and I am sure that things have changed since then. While the study concluded mostly positive results and most athletes could return to their sport, something like 8% actually had to quit due to pain and mobility issues. They also said that 30% were able to continue but had diminished output due to pain. It is also worth mentioning that the athletes were spread among several sports that were mostly non-contact sports. No hockey players were included.

So 62% of the surgeries would have been considered 100% successful, which is good, but do you bet $50 million on those odds? I stress that it was an old study and the procedures have likely improved, but I just don't think the data is there to confirm high rates of success, especially in a sport like hockey.

Also of concern is that it will be a whole calendar year that Eichel will have not played or engaged is physical practice. That could be a big problem as well. Not too many players can take a year off and regain their top form.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

From another post…..


A while back in another thread I posted a study of athletes who had disk replacement surgery. The study was from 2007 and I am sure that things have changed since then. While the study concluded mostly positive results and most athletes could return to their sport, something like 8% actually had to quit due to pain and mobility issues. They also said that 30% were able to continue but had diminished output due to pain. It is also worth mentioning that the athletes were spread among several sports that were mostly non-contact sports. No hockey players were included.

So 62% of the surgeries would have been considered 100% successful, which is good, but do you bet $50 million on those odds? I stress that it was an old study and the procedures have likely improved, but I just don't think the data is there to confirm high rates of success, especially in a sport like hockey.

Also of concern is that it will be a whole calendar year that Eichel will have not played or engaged is physical practice. That could be a big problem as well. Not too many players can take a year off and regain their top form.

Makes you wonder why Buffalo said no to disc replacement surgery, maybe they have justified concerns and maybe they aren't crazy after all.

[Scroopy Noopers]

What’s the bounce back history of nhl players who had the vertebrae fusing procedure?

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

What’s the bounce back history of nhl players who had the vertebrae fusing procedure?

I’m sure there are some, just don’t know of any who had the procedure

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m against an overpay. It should be way below his market price pre injury. Way, way below. Until he’s proven healthy, he has little value and is on a massive contract. I don’t like trading for magic beans.

Monahan, 1st and a prospect for Eichel with a ton retained, at least 30%. He’s too much of a risk.

so you don't want him

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

What’s the bounce back history of nhl players who had the vertebrae fusing procedure?

Gary Roberts and Mario Lemieux are only ones I can think of. Spine surgery is something that has ended careers, not extend them. Not a lot of success stories, but there are some out there.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Walk away, Brad.

[dino7c]

Medical science has greatly improved since the days of Roberts and Mario

If an MMA fighter can have a successful surgery so can Eichel

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I’m sure there are some, just don’t know of any who had the procedure

Rod Gilbert and Martin Hanzal did.

Outside the NHL, Peyton Manning.