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Drunk Uncle · 08-24-2021, 12:52 PM

Vatanen was pretty gross both offensively and defensively 5v5 last year and if he can't fit in your top 4, I think we are better off playing Kylington.

Hot_Flatus · 08-24-2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I want to play the kids, but it would be pretty negligent to count on them without the backup of a few PTOs in case they flunk out of camp. Plus you often need some PTOs to satisfy veteran requirements on exhibition games.

If the Flames current group of prospects knocking on the door can't even hold down a 12/13/14 forward or 6/7 defenceman role over a PTO player at this point, doesn't that fall right on Treliving? For me it does. We are talking fringe spots on a pretty bad team too.

These players are PTO players because 95% of them are no good. If you can't draft and develop a somewhat steady line of players who are any better than that in 7 seasons, you really suck at your job.

GioforPM · 08-24-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

If the Flames current group of prospects knocking on the door can't even hold down a 12/13/14 forward or 6/7 defenceman over a PTO player at this point, doesn't that fall right on Treliving at this point?

These players are PTO players because 95% of them are no good. If you can't draft and develop players better than that in 7 seasons you really suck at your job.

Maybe, but that's not really the issue at training camp. The job at camp is to put together the best team possible. Failure of kids to make it would lead to questions, sure, but are you saying he should not offer PTOs because of that?

Canada 02 · 08-24-2021, 01:15 PM

Vatanen is not a good player anymore

https://twitter.com/user/status/1381278961821483016

Hot_Flatus · 08-24-2021, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe, but that's not really the issue at training camp. The job at camp is to put together the best team possible. Failure of kids to make it would lead to questions, sure, but are you saying he should not offer PTOs because of that?

I just don't see how bringing in a handful of substandard cast-offs improves the team? Sure, bring players in to meet roster requirements and maybe the odd longshot for a look, but the fact that this seems to be a go to tactic to fill the bottom pairs and lines speaks volumes.

We all know Treliving is going to sign at least one of these PTOs (which he almost always does) to play a role and it's quite tiring to see when you have guys like Mackey, Gawdin, Ruszicka and Philips who continue to get rave reviews internally and produce quite well in the AHL.

GioforPM · 08-24-2021, 01:34 PM

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I just don't see how bringing in a handful of substandard cast-offs improves the team? Sure, bring players in to meet roster requirements and maybe the odd longshot for a look, but the fact that this seems to be a go to tactic to fill the bottom pairs and lines speaks volumes.

We all know Treliving is going to sign at least one of these PTOs (which he almost always does) to play a role and it's quite tiring to see when you have guys like Mackey, Gawdin, Ruszicka and Philips who continue to get rave reviews internally and produce quite well in the AHL.

Well, did Mark Stone help or hurt the team? Toby Reider? Brett Ritchie (when used properly and not on the top line)? Or going back - Versteeg (well, signed off an Oiler PTO) or Morrison.

Anyway, why give the kids a free ticket onto the team? At least make them compete for a spot.

Canada 02 · 08-24-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, did Mark Stone help or hurt the team? Toby Reider? Brett Ritchie (when used properly and not on the top line)? Or going back - Versteeg (well, signed off an Oiler PTO) or Morrison.

Anyway, why give the kids a free ticket onto the team? At least make them compete for a spot.

Fully agree. Prospects need to reliably and consistently outperform an aging scrub, and if you can't do it, you don't deserve to be on the team

TheKurgan · 08-24-2021, 01:47 PM

Zero PTO's please. Either play the kids or package them up for Eichel

GioforPM · 08-24-2021, 01:51 PM

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Zero PTO's please. Either play the kids or package them up for Eichel

Wait, is that all it takes to get Eichel? I think we'd have a deal.

gvitaly · 08-24-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, did Mark Stone help or hurt the team? Toby Reider? Brett Ritchie (when used properly and not on the top line)? Or going back - Versteeg (well, signed off an Oiler PTO) or Morrison.

Anyway, why give the kids a free ticket onto the team? At least make them compete for a spot.

I agree with you for the most part, but then I think of Nicklas Grossmann and him making it to the starting lineup(or something like that). He didn't look better than any of the young D we had at the time(Jokipakka(?), Kulak and Wotherspoon I believe), and yet he was given the opportunity. Granted it was only for 3 games, but I don't think he deserved to be signed in the first place. Especially with already having Bartkowski on the roster

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I'm only for PTO's and would love to see some additions and competition in camp. That said if a PTO is a marginal upgrade over a prospect I prefer the prospect to get some games.

Toonage · 08-24-2021, 02:03 PM

Don't recall off the top of my head which players couldn't unseat him but its kind of remarkable, and sad, that no one could out perform Tanner Glass that one year.

GioforPM · 08-24-2021, 02:07 PM

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I agree with you for the most part, but then I think of Nicklas Grossmann and him making it to the starting lineup(or something like that). He didn't look better than any of the young D we had at the time(Jokipakka(?), Kulak and Wotherspoon I believe), and yet he was given the opportunity. Granted it was only for 3 games, but I don't think he deserved to be signed in the first place. Especially with already having Bartkowski on the roster

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I'm only for PTO's and would love to see some additions and competition in camp. That said if a PTO is a marginal upgrade over a prospect I prefer the prospect to get some games.

Jokipakka played 56 games for the Flames (38 that year). He got a shot (and failed and then couldn't even make the Sens). Wotherspoon played in 4 seasons, including his first pro year. He got a shot, and failed. Kulak got 21 games that year and 71 the next.

Goriders · 08-24-2021, 02:10 PM

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Interesting player. Same size as Wolf though. Quit school to turn pro, yet ends up in Sweden.

Keith Petruzzelli was another one. Decided not to sign with Detroit. Headed to the Bruins Development Camp.

Flames I'm guessing are fine with Werner and the two raw kids.

I thought Vlader was pencilled in as number 2 based on Treliving’s comments.

gvitaly · 08-24-2021, 02:13 PM

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Jokipakka played 56 games for the Flames (38 that year). He got a shot (and failed and then couldn't even make the Sens). Wotherspoon played in 4 seasons, including his first pro year. He got a shot, and failed. Kulak got 21 games that year and 71 the next.

Yes, I remember that. None of them became world beaters. I also mentioned agreeing with you for the most part. However, Grossman making the opening day lineup was baffling. Then again I found a lot of Gulutzan's decisions baffling.

Reggie Dunlop · 08-24-2021, 02:16 PM

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I thought Vlader was pencilled in as number 2 based on Treliving’s comments.

He is. I was referring to the farm team's goaltending, Stockton or Kansas City the most likely destination for Mann

Goriders · 08-24-2021, 02:47 PM

If you look at our roster assuming Dube re-signs and there are no blockbuster trades. If you aren’t filling gaps with the farm team and want to try out older vets like Montreal did last year with Perry. There are potential openings at 4th line center and bottom pairing D from what I see.

Doubt these guys would want to play 4th line minutes but:
-Travis Zajac
-Tyler Bozek
-Eric Stall

Stall would be a nice pickup if Montreal doesn’t re-sign him.

Potential UFA defenseman. There seem to be a few options.
-Stone
-Erik Gudbranson
-Jordie Benn
-Sami Vatanen
-Braydon Coburn
-Jack Johnson
-Ben Hutton

My guess is Stone would be the choice here because he lives in Calgary and has a history with the team. He also played well at the end of last season.

Goriders · 08-24-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yes, I remember that. None of them became world beaters. I also mentioned agreeing with you for the most part. However, Grossman making the opening day lineup was baffling. Then again I found a lot of Gulutzan's decisions baffling.

Didn’t Grossman last 1 game after setting up one or two of the opponents goals?

Flamesfan05 · 08-24-2021, 02:49 PM

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Mark Jankowski.

Good hustle guy for the fourth line.

Nice joke

TheKurgan · 08-24-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Wait, is that all it takes to get Eichel? I think we'd have a deal.

Well its not all that it takes but with the rumored ask of "The equivalent of four first-round picks could be anything from young, established roster players, A-level prospects, or actual first-round draft picks in the next two NHL drafts" you would be looking at 2 or 3 of the young ones going.

Goriders · 08-24-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, did Mark Stone help or hurt the team? Toby Reider? Brett Ritchie (when used properly and not on the top line)? Or going back - Versteeg (well, signed off an Oiler PTO) or Morrison.

Anyway, why give the kids a free ticket onto the team? At least make them compete for a spot.

I thought Stone was one of our better defensman after Hanifin got hurt at the end of the season. If you’re looking for a vet gap filler I think he’s about as good a fit as you’re going to find.