Flames changes since winning the West regular season 2018-19

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I think the average NHL team rolls out 6 players per off season. You wouldn't expect to see the same 6 players flipped every year but I'm sure there is some overlap.

But bottom line in three off seasons most NHL teams are going to see 9-12 different players on their roster.

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3 forwards the Flames have added via trade since July 2018:

Kerby Rychel, Milan Lucic and Emil Heineman.

It's pretty scary that a team in the situation the Flames have been in, with glaring problems up and down the forward lines, has made not one substantial trade to address the issue in three years!

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Feel like I've turned into a dusty skeleton waiting for Sean Monahan's resurgence to a 30 goal scoring beast.

Each time he talks he sounds so sincere about turning it around and I'm suckered in every time. I really hope the loss of form has been primarily due to his lingering injury issue that is now sorted.

If he's consistently as injured as he is, playing the weak as glass game he plays, there is just no hope.

His lackluster skating, playmaking and all-around puck skills add up to just not much of anything to warrant the salary or keeping him on the roster as he ages.

Treliving has been borderline inept the last 2 years, but not moving Monahan at any point until now will likely be his downfall if he doesn't get something done.

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

3 forwards the Flames have added via trade since July 2018:

Kerby Rychel, Milan Lucic and Emil Heineman.

It's pretty scary that a team in the situation the Flames have been in, with glaring problems up and down the forward lines, has made not one substantial trade to address the issue in three years!

There didn't appear to be glaring problems through the majority of 2018-19.

Wheels came off a bit towards the end, 2019-20 saw a coaching change and COVID hit.

I wouldn't say it's particularly unique or, given the context, a note of any real importance.

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There didn't appear to be glaring problems through the majority of 2018-19.

Wheels came off a bit towards the end, 2019-20 saw a coaching change and COVID hit.

I wouldn't say it's particularly unique or, given the context, a note of any real importance.

When your GM seems to be stuck trying to either sign his way out of the problems he has via the UFA market, or by constantly changing coaches, you have a pretty glaring red flag. There were huge concerns when the wheels fell off at the end of 2018-2019. When your supposed core players completely disintegrate like they did, a GM should be addressing the issue big time.

At some point you have to get in on a deal and make a move when the results are as bad as they've been. You might whiff on a few from time to time, but the negatives are far less when you make a so-so trade versus a terrible FA signing, which Treliving has many of on his resume.

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

When your GM seems to be stuck trying to either sign his way out of the problems he has via the UFA market, or by constantly changing coaches, you have a pretty glaring red flag. There were huge concerns when the wheels fell off at the end of 2018-2019. When your supposed core players completely disintegrate like they did, a GM should be addressing the issue big time.

At some point you have to get in on a deal and make a move when the results are as bad as they've been. You might whiff on a few from time to time, but the negatives are far less when you make a so-so trade versus a terrible FA signing, which Treliving has many of on his resume.

There's also good reason not to overreact to something. Sure, there were huge concerns. But are they a blip? growing pains? signs of a deeper issue? It was an example of something worth letting play out.

And then, of course, Peters gets in hot water and gets canned (I don't think we would've made that coaching change otherwise). The Flames look like the ship is starting to right itself a bit, COVID hits, a good play-in round, and then a repeat disaster against Dallas where the wheels come off (again). I think after the Dallas series is probably where the concerns became something that truly needed attention, and the last year has really been anything but easily in terms of player movement.

I don't disagree that you need to get in on things and actually make moves. But from an outside perspective, I don't see someone who is filling gaps through UFA any more than other GMs. And while Gulutzen was an obviously bad hire, Peters looked good and only had a year with the team. I don't think Ward was ever the solution, whether he was replaced last summer or during the season when he was, but that change was always going to happen once Peters went the way he did.

I don't think Treliving has been a great GM by any means, but I just disagree that what you're pointing out as huge issues are actually as big as you make them out to be, given the context. Just my opinion of course.