08-09-2021, 01:37 PM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Zadorov probably trying to get 4.5, Flames trying for 3.5. will settle at 4.
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08-09-2021, 01:46 PM
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#42
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
What do you think he will get if Calgary signs him for a longer period?
He was asking for 6 years and (IIRC) close to $6M AAV from Chicago.
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This is not a guy the Flames, or any team for that matter, should be signing for 6 years.
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08-09-2021, 01:50 PM
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#43
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Still pretty young for defensemen, who typically hit their prime in heir late 20s. And you were referring to observations from a couple years ago, when he was 24, which definitely IS a 'young pup'.
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And yet you conveniently ignored the part where I said:
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Reading a little bit from Blackhawks reporters and bloggers it sounds like he was still the same player last year. [as he was the year before]
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He hasn't shown any improvement. If he does then great, fine, pay the man then. Then being the operative word.
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08-09-2021, 01:52 PM
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#44
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Still pretty young for defensemen, who typically hit their prime in heir late 20s. And you were referring to observations from a couple years ago, when he was 24, which definitely IS a 'young pup'.
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Not sure about that one.
A guy like Rasmus Andersson, for instance, is only 24. Would anyone around here stand to think he will be a vastly different player from what he is now in 2 seasons? I'd say not. And if he did suddenly start piling on the 15g 40a seasons by then it would be a major outlier.
It's not to take away from anyone in any way, but aside from Giordano (who was a late bloomer to begin with), I can't think of too many D that suddenly morph into something they weren't in their late 20's.
For me, Zadorov is a good 5/6 guy and pretty average to below average 3/4 guy. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but hopefully the team isn't betting on a 5+ year deal for him to show it.
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08-09-2021, 02:08 PM
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#45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
Not sure about that one.
A guy like Rasmus Andersson, for instance, is only 24. Would anyone around here stand to think he will be a vastly different player from what he is now in 2 seasons? I'd say not. And if he did suddenly start piling on the 15g 40a seasons by then it would be a major outlier.
It's not to take away from anyone in any way, but aside from Giordano (who was a late bloomer to begin with), I can't think of too many D that suddenly morph into something they weren't in their late 20's.
For me, Zadorov is a good 5/6 guy and pretty average to below average 3/4 guy. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but hopefully the team isn't betting on a 5+ year deal for him to show it.
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re Andersson: yes, I think it is not only possible, but very likely, that he will be a more complete defenseman in a couple years than he was last year. And you bring up points - I am talking defensively, his all-around game.
You bring up Giordano as an exception, but he isn't really. And his partner - Brodie - is yet another example. As a 24 year old in the 14/15 season, he was NOT the player that he was in 18/19 season (as a 28 YO) when he and Giordano were a top pairing, and a damn good one.
Defensemen typically put it all together much later than forwards. This isn't news and I am not sure why we have to debate it
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08-09-2021, 02:26 PM
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#46
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My guesses for possible contracts for Zadorov:
Arbitration: $3.75M x 1 year
3 years: $3.85M x 3 years
4 years: $4.2M x 4 years
5 years: $4.02 x 5 years - the Regehr contract.
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08-09-2021, 02:28 PM
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#47
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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I'm betting we'll all be surprised at the dollars & term.
Something like 6 years at $4.5M
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08-09-2021, 02:31 PM
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#48
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I don't see a long term deal like 6 years, personally. I would think the Flames would like to have a year of him in the organization first. I think a 1 or 2 year deal makes the most sense.
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08-09-2021, 02:40 PM
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#49
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Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Based on the price they paid for him 3rd rounder, his market value is not worth anything close to a long term deal unless it’s heavily discounted
My bet is 1 yr at what ever fair is, probably 3.5-4M
Longer term if it is 3.5 or less
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08-15-2021, 09:05 AM
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#50
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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08-15-2021, 09:12 AM
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#51
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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4 seems absurd but so does 6+....pretty easy middle ground on this one.
3 X 5.25....seems simple...no?
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08-15-2021, 09:14 AM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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I read that Minnesota's had an offer to Fiala that was 5+, they obviously know how arbitration goes in the NHL and intentionally put their last offer in as a low ball
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08-15-2021, 10:13 AM
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#53
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
I'm betting we'll all be surprised at the dollars & term.
Something like 6 years at $4.5M
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I'm sorry but a contract like this would be absolutely absurd for this player. It immediately becomes the worst contract on the team.
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08-15-2021, 03:42 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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I’m not sure what it will be, but I am looking forward to watching him be big and nasty in front of our net next year. We’ve been missing this element for so long.
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08-15-2021, 04:52 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
I’m not sure what it will be, but I am looking forward to watching him be big and nasty in front of our net next year. We’ve been missing this element for so long.
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His previous teams have been very disappointed in his play, and Seattle passed on him also.
He was fine when he was cheap, but with UFA around the corner, his value has gone down.
That “big and nasty” comes with a price; he simply isn’t that good.
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08-15-2021, 05:08 PM
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#56
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Fearmongerer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
His previous teams have been very disappointed in his play, and Seattle passed on him also.
He was fine when he was cheap, but with UFA around the corner, his value has gone down.
That “big and nasty” comes with a price; he simply isn’t that good.
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I dont believe that to be true waht so ever.
He was the main piece in the Saad trade to Colorado and was traded this year to make room for Seth Jones and his bazillion dollar deal.
He isnt a great top 2 dman, but he is just fine on a 2nd pairing.
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08-15-2021, 08:42 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
re Andersson: yes, I think it is not only possible, but very likely, that he will be a more complete defenseman in a couple years than he was last year. And you bring up points - I am talking defensively, his all-around game.
You bring up Giordano as an exception, but he isn't really. And his partner - Brodie - is yet another example. As a 24 year old in the 14/15 season, he was NOT the player that he was in 18/19 season (as a 28 YO) when he and Giordano were a top pairing, and a damn good one.
Defensemen typically put it all together much later than forwards. This isn't news and I am not sure why we have to debate it
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Are you kidding? Brodie had a career year in 2014/15 He was top pairing d-man with Engelland. He played 27 freaking minutes a game in the last playoff series the Flames actual won. Gio got injured and Brodie stepped up and played better.
He was easily one of the top-4/5 skating d-men in the league. After 2014/15 Brodie was firmly establish as a top-4 d-man on any team in the league and he has maintained that through today.
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08-16-2021, 01:03 AM
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#59
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Are you kidding? Brodie had a career year in 2014/15 He was top pairing d-man with Engelland. He played 27 freaking minutes a game in the last playoff series the Flames actual won. Gio got injured and Brodie stepped up and played better.
He was easily one of the top-4/5 skating d-men in the league. After 2014/15 Brodie was firmly establish as a top-4 d-man on any team in the league and he has maintained that through today.
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I actually agree with you on this, I think the Flames missed Brodie more last season than they will miss Gio next season. Brodie was the player who made Gio amazing, because his speed allowed Gio to pinch and take risks, knowing that Brodie could get back to cover for him. I know Gio had the most points on the D last season, but he also had the most PP time of any defenseman. Someone else will end up with those minutes, and that will boost their numbers. The only question is whether it will be Andersson, Hanifin, or Valimaki. One of them will get significantly more minutes than they have in the past, and may be more productive in those minutes than Gio would have been had he not been drafted by Seattle. Only time will tell. And time is a cruel master.
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08-20-2021, 10:07 AM
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#60
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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With the Zadorov signing the only player still on the arbitration docket is Sanheim
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