07-29-2021, 12:22 PM
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#41
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
How far ahead are the Flames?
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Why do you even care?
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07-29-2021, 01:32 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Why do you even care?
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Why in the world wouldn't you care? Living in the worst part of BC and a Canucks fan?
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07-29-2021, 01:39 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Why in the world wouldn't you care? Living in the worst part of BC and a Canucks fan?
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Ahhh... the worst part of B.C is Prince george, Fort St. John's or Port Alberni for the record.
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07-29-2021, 01:58 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Purpdust
I don't know, 4 First round picks from an expansion team not named Golden Knights, could be a high price to pay.
I think a 7 X 10MM would put Van in trouble while keeping the picks @ 2 X 1st, 2nd & 3rd
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No it wouldn't. But 5 x $10M would
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07-29-2021, 02:01 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
Ahhh... the worst part of B.C is Prince george, Fort St. John's or Port Alberni for the record.
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Drive by Chilliwack with your windows open
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07-29-2021, 03:28 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
No it wouldn't. But 5 x $10M would
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The problem is that even if the Canucks didn't match (and they probably would), this is a terrible idea for the team proposing the offer sheet.
The picks are worth about 10 wins of value combined. Pettersson is going to be worth about 3 wins a year, projected. So you've now gained a net of 1 win per year for 5 years, and have tied up $10 million in cap space to do so. That's a really inefficient way to use that money.
It's not just collusion that keeps people from tendering offer sheets, it's actually really hard to put one together that's going to wind up being a good bet.
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07-29-2021, 04:02 PM
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#47
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
The problem is that even if the Canucks didn't match (and they probably would), this is a terrible idea for the team proposing the offer sheet.
The picks are worth about 10 wins of value combined. Pettersson is going to be worth about 3 wins a year, projected. So you've now gained a net of 1 win per year for 5 years, and have tied up $10 million in cap space to do so. That's a really inefficient way to use that money.
It's not just collusion that keeps people from tendering offer sheets, it's actually really hard to put one together that's going to wind up being a good bet.
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Agreed, and it strips you of so much value going forward, two firsts should get you top 9 forwards and top 4 D at a minimum, having that on an entry level, allows these larger contracts. Without entry level guys to offset the 10MM guys, teams run into issues.
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07-29-2021, 04:23 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
The problem is that even if the Canucks didn't match (and they probably would), this is a terrible idea for the team proposing the offer sheet.
The picks are worth about 10 wins of value combined. Pettersson is going to be worth about 3 wins a year, projected. So you've now gained a net of 1 win per year for 5 years, and have tied up $10 million in cap space to do so. That's a really inefficient way to use that money.
It's not just collusion that keeps people from tendering offer sheets, it's actually really hard to put one together that's going to wind up being a good bet.
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If the value of 2 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd is 3 times the value of Pettersson, then those picks are being overvalued.
Also, it is impossible to know what the picks are worth without knowing where in the 1st round they fall. Two late round 1sts aren't worth anything close to Pettersson, and every GM in the league would instantly trade them for him.
If they were early 1sts (both top 10 and possibly top 3), then you have a very different conversation.
But any team offer-sheeting Pettersson is probably a team that is competitive now. And of course, adding Pettersson only makes them that much more competitive, reducing the value of those picks.
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07-29-2021, 04:32 PM
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#49
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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There just isn't a world that a Pettersson offer sheet isn't matched. As someone else pointed out in Canucks media today: If you sign Petey to an offer sheet, you're actually just making Benning's summer easier not ham stringing the Canucks at all.
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07-29-2021, 04:34 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If the value of 2 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd is 3 times the value of Pettersson, then those picks are being overvalued.
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Pettersson's value depends on how long you have him signed for. He's worth 3 wins per season. Those picks are worth 10 wins, total. So the total value of those picks is 2/3 of the value of Pettersson on a 5 year deal (which would be worth 15 wins, projected, over the full term of the deal).
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Also, it is impossible to know what the picks are worth without knowing where in the 1st round they fall. Two late round 1sts aren't worth anything close to Pettersson, and every GM in the league would instantly trade them for him.
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True - if they're early picks they're worth more; if they're late picks they're worth less. The valuation in this case is agnostic about where they are - basically you're talking about a random first round pick.
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But any team offer-sheeting Pettersson is probably a team that is competitive now. And of course, adding Pettersson only makes them that much more competitive, reducing the value of those picks.
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I don't really agree. The team that would offer sheet him would likely be the Kraken, and even with Pettersson they're probably a below-average team for the next couple of seasons. I'm not sure who else could do it. If it was Vegas, I might be more inclined to agree with you. But even for a good team it's a risky proposition... When the Maple Leafs added Kessel they expected to be a playoff team, and wound up giving up 2nd overall. There's always a real chance you'll be worse than you thought.
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07-29-2021, 07:48 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
There just isn't a world that a Pettersson offer sheet isn't matched. As someone else pointed out in Canucks media today: If you sign Petey to an offer sheet, you're actually just making Benning's summer easier not ham stringing the Canucks at all.
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If an offer sheet actually helps Benning, he should not be in that chair
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07-29-2021, 08:06 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If an offer sheet actually helps Benning, he should not be in that chair
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Everyone already knows he shouldn't be in that chair.
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07-29-2021, 08:44 PM
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#53
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If an offer sheet actually helps Benning, he should not be in that chair
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Saves him time.
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07-29-2021, 08:59 PM
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#54
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
Saves him time.
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He's too busy to lock up his best player? Fighting the mob off to get Poolman first?
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07-29-2021, 09:06 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If an offer sheet actually helps Benning, he should not be in that chair
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He shouldn't be
Hes done well drafting but on the whole hes in the bottom part of the league in the job, luckily for the team, 2 of the guys below him are in the same division, possibly 3 based on how francis has done in a week with seattle
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07-29-2021, 10:44 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by d_phaneuf
He shouldn't be
Hes done well drafting but on the whole hes in the bottom part of the league in the job, luckily for the team, 2 of the guys below him are in the same division, possibly 3 based on how francis has done in a week with seattle
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Not in the bottom part of the league. At the bottom of the league. As in the actual bottom.
Consider:
Even though the Canucks have made the playoffs, what, once in the last six years, Benning has traded far more picks than he has acquired. 7, I think, at last count. He has this apparent inability to conduct a trade without throwing a draft pick in.
In 2015, no second round pick. In 2016, no second round pick. In 2019, no third round pick. In 2020, no first or second round pick. In 2021, no first or third or fourth round pick. In 2022, already no second round pick. For someone who is supposed to good at drafting, he sure doesn't like to do that much of it.
He just cleared out a bunch of players on terrible contracts; contracts that he signed, but succeeded in trading them for a worse contract but pretty much every conceivable metric. The contracts he traded all expire next season. The one he picked up expires in 6 more years.
Then, with the cap savings on this year, he takes up most of it with OEL, and pretty much the rest in Travis Hamonic and Tucker Poolman. There is absolutely zero case for giving Tucker Poolman that deal, especially after he did it to Roussel and Beagle.
He still has Tyler Myers under contract for 3 more years. Which means his guys that should be second-pairing defensemen are making over 13 million against their cap, which is literally insane.
Not to mention that trying to acquire OEL last year cost him Tyler Toffoli, Troy Stecher, and Chris Tanev. The Toffoli that he gave up a second round pick and a very good prospect to get, the Toffoli that actually wanted to bacome back to Vancouver. How many goals did Toffoli score against the Canucks this year?
He signed Braden Holtby last year even though he was clearly on the decline, gave him a back-loaded deal that made it harder to trade him this year, insisted that he could trade him anyway, and then had to buy him out to help afford the rest of his mistakes.
If he had just paid Toffoli and Tanev and Stecher the contracts they got, had skipped out on OEL, then he woudln't have needed to acquire Connor Garland either.
So basically, Benning has been screwing up literally every year, and this year he had to screw the team further just to fix those mistakes, but making a whole series of new ones.
And then there's his drafting.
|In 2014 drafts Jake Virtanen (lol), and then trades McCann to get Erik Gudbranson (and signs him to a ridiculous deal iirc). He drafts Forsling, who he trades for Clendening, who he discovers is a tweener and trades him, too.
In 2015 he gets Boeser, sure, but the only other players out of that draft to play are Brisebois (9 whole games) and Gaudette, who becomes an NHL and they trade him for scrap.
In 2016 he drafts Juolevi (lol) and Lockwood, and the rest of the guys are nothing.
In 2017 he drafts Petterson, but also Lind and Gadjovich, who have 8 games between them, DiPietro, who barely played at all last season, which, I'm sure was great for his development, and Rathbone.
In 2018 he gets Hughes, but Madden is flipped for Toffoli.
Obviously the other years are too recent to judge, but if he gets a single NHL regular out of 2020 and 2021, most people would be very surprised.
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07-29-2021, 11:21 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Is anyone else shocked that Hamonic got $3 mill? Wow lol
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07-29-2021, 11:43 PM
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#58
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by FBI
Is anyone else shocked that Hamonic got $3 mill? Wow lol
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Not at all...he is still a steady eddie guy. Might be bit overpriced but that is the cost of ufa shopping.
Poolman is a complete head scratcher though...money is meh but the term is just stupid.
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07-30-2021, 04:44 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Drive by Chilliwack with your windows open
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Says the guy that probably never has lived 8n BC and says more stupid #### daily than the old poster saying Backlund was khl bound when Backlund was 22.
By your metric of what's worst driving by Brooks with your window down. Chilliwack and brooks share no similar smells. Yes Chilliwack sucks, don't get me wrong but it's no 100 mile house,Terrence, prince george, Fort St John's or Port Alberni.
I've lived Eztizom, Formost,redcliff,Medicine hat ,Dunmore, Irvine Elbow Saskatchewan, Abby Saskatchewan, Swiftcurrent, Kamloops, Savona, Merritt, Vernon , Victoria, Sannich North saanich east van,delta and a few more .
By your logic roll down your window and drive through brooks 1000x worst than Chilliwack. . Your such a #### poster that has no idea about hockey or towns in Canada. I wouldn't normally call out such #### but I'm getting back in to whiskey tasting and you have always been bad so what the hell why not.
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07-30-2021, 06:09 AM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I wish I was around for the non-edited version of your rant.
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