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Old 07-25-2021, 01:28 PM   #41
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You could see this one coming from miles away
Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised it didnt happen sooner. Was there a point or advantage to waiting?
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Old 07-25-2021, 01:30 PM   #42
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…. Character is a huge commodity for Treliving. See Curtis Lazar.
What’s the story on Lazar’s character issue?
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Too happy.
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Wait a minute, are we giving Montreal a hard time but at the same time promoting Virtanen would be a good addition. Pretty sure you don’t want this kind of guy in your city. Anybody want they’re daughter hanging out at a pub or bar where he might be?
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Who was the Van fan that was arguing that Virtanen was equal to Bennett?

That didn't age well.
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Wait a minute, are we giving Montreal a hard time but at the same time promoting Virtanen would be a good addition. Pretty sure you don’t want this kind of guy in your city. Anybody want they’re daughter hanging out at a pub or bar where he might be?
No one was promoting him. I suggested the Flames might consider it.
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No one was promoting him. I suggested the Flames might consider it.
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No one was promoting him. I suggested the Flames might consider it.
If Virtanen has any sense he is already on a plane to Siberia to attempt to rehabilitate his reputation by wrestling Polar Bears.
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Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised it didnt happen sooner. Was there a point or advantage to waiting?
They were probably holding out hope they could include him in a trade at the draft.
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No chance the Flames sign him with their corporate way of business.

You don’t bring a bottom line player in with behavior issues. The risk reward is just not there.
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Definitely an EDM or MTL pickup.
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What’s the story on Lazar’s character issue?
Nothing bad. Just an example where character was prioritized by Treliving and probably paid a premium for it.
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The Flames are still recovering from the Bill Peters implosion (though not of their making).

Major risk of recidivism taking on anyone (coach or player) with these sort of issues.
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Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised it didnt happen sooner. Was there a point or advantage to waiting?
If charges are laid they have cause for termination as opposed to buy out. I suspect they were waiting to see where things went.
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Eats hamburgers straight off the ice.
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To the extent the Flames were going to take a chance on an exceptionally flawed reputation guy, it certainly won't be to fill a 4th line player role.
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If charges are laid they have cause for termination as opposed to buy out. I suspect they were waiting to see where things went.
That makes sense.

In a League with Edmonton and Montreal anything is possible.
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No chance the Flames sign him with their corporate way of business.

You don’t bring a bottom line player in with behavior issues. The risk reward is just not there.
Add to the above that he was a Hitmen for his entire junior career. I'm sure the Flames know all about him.

I watched him through junior with the Hitmen and I always thought he was a selfish one dimensional player. It sounds like he hasn't changed much.

I know nothing of his off ice troubles but I'm sure whatever it is doesn't help his reputation.
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Still doesn't make sense to me why they didn't just terminate it for violation of the morality clause a la Richards. They'd probably have to settle it but settling by definition means it's less than what you have to pay otherwise.

I doubt his buyout hurts them much cap-wise though. Maybe a few hundred K this year and next?
Keep in mind with the Richards contract there was $22M salary remaining spread out over five years. If the Kings had just ordinarily bought Richards out they would have taken a $1.217M cap hit in 2015-16, $1.717M in 2016-17, $2.717M in 2017-18, $4.217M in 2018-19 and 2019-20, and $1.467M every year from 2020-21 through 2024-25, and paid him actual monies of $1.467M every year from 2015-16 through 2024-25. ($14.667M total in actual cash to Richards.)

Instead, having terminated the contract for breach and ultimately settling with Richards, they took a cap recapture penalty (as though Richards retired) of $1.32M every year from 2015-16 to 2019-20, and are paying him a $10.5M settlement that still counts against the cap, spread out until the end of the 2031-32 season. The Kings ultimately save themselves $4.167M in actual cash, and spread the cap hit out over an additional six years.

Buying Virtanen out, the Canucks will pay him $1M spread over the next two seasons, incurring a cap hit of $50,000 this year and $500,000 next, in lieu of paying him $3M actual salary this season and taking a $2.55M cap hit.


Virtanen would almost certainly win if he/NHLPA file a grievance, considering he hasn't been criminally charged and nothing has been proven in court, so even if they ultimately terminated his contract and reached a settlement for something less than the $3M they still owe him, the cap hit and actual dollar amount paid to him is relatively small anyway.
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LOL.... forgot about that.
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