[Trade] NSH trades Ryan Ellis to the Flyers for Phillipe Myers and Nolan Patrick

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Watch him become a dish washer at the Hard Rock Hotel. Low talent, low GAF, and low outcome player. Vegas can afford to gamble, but they’re rolling snake eyes on this one.

Who do you like?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Watch him become a dish washer at the Hard Rock Hotel. Low talent, low GAF, and low outcome player. Vegas can afford to gamble, but they’re rolling snake eyes on this one.

Hard Rock was sold. Renovates during pandemic and is now opeb and called Virgin.

[Roof-Daddy]

If Myers is going to take the next step anywhere, it will be in the defenseman factory that is the Nashville Predators.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Watch him become a dish washer at the Hard Rock Hotel. Low talent, low GAF, and low outcome player. Vegas can afford to gamble, but they’re rolling snake eyes on this one.

For such a dishwasher that was dealing with extreme migraines he still outscored Sam Bennett his first 2 years in the league. If they have his migraine issue figured out he could be very good.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No this isn’t accurate
When a player attends a camp the team has no rights to the player
They remain a free agent
He chose to sign elsewhere
He had zero obligation to the Flames who did have interest in him
This stuff gets stated inaccurately regularly

Right. So you have it on authority that the Flames offered him a contract and he said no thanks?

If you do, state that.

Otherwise….

It is accurate 1000%. It was mentioned on the 31 Thoughts Podcast along with other sources.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...flyers-dieppe/

If it isn’t accurate. Provide proof.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Right. So you have it on authority that the Flames offered him a contract and he said no thanks?

If you do, state that.

Otherwise….

It is accurate 1000%. It was mentioned on the 31 Thoughts Podcast along with other sources.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...flyers-dieppe/

If it isn’t accurate. Provide proof.

You can’t “let somebody walk” when you never had their rights to begin with

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Right. So you have it on authority that the Flames offered him a contract and he said no thanks?

If you do, state that.

Otherwise….

It is accurate 1000%. It was mentioned on the 31 Thoughts Podcast along with other sources.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...flyers-dieppe/

If it isn’t accurate. Provide proof.

The Flames could have offered him a contract that any other team in the league could have offered him at the same time. I mean no agent or player is dumb enough to take a contract just because they're in that team's development camp.

[1qqaaz]

It seems like Nashville is a common denominator in most 3-way trades.
I wonder if it's a Poile thing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Right. So you have it on authority that the Flames offered him a contract and he said no thanks?

If you do, state that.

Otherwise….

It is accurate 1000%. It was mentioned on the 31 Thoughts Podcast along with other sources.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...flyers-dieppe/

If it isn’t accurate. Provide proof.

It is accurate that he was a free agent and therefore could sign with anyone but but if this is true:

“I had no idea,” says the product of Dieppe, N.B., where Rogers Hometown Hockey makes a stop this weekend. “I [went] to Calgary’s development camp and they told me they didn’t want to invite me to main camp.

Then it sounds like they didn’t even try and I stand corrected.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Who do you like?

Lot's of players, just don't like low talent hacks that people get boners for because someone was stupid enough to draft them really high. It annoys me to see people fawn over guys whose only accomplishment was being drafted early. I like players that actually play the game and produce results. I hate guys who talk a big game, then never deliver. Let your play speak for you and just go out there and focus on producing when it matters. Guys I really like are Mathew Barzal, Brayden Point, and Auston Matthews. A terribly under-rated guy I would kill to have on my team is Sebastian Aho. I really like Philippe Myers who the Flyers just traded. Wish we had been in on him. There are lots of players I like, just not a lot of them are Calgary Flames. I wish that would change.

[GioforPM]

^^ Auston Matthews didn’t produce when it mattered.

[Lanny_McDonald]

^^^ Neither did the whole team. Matthews is still one of the best goal scorers in the league and has scored a ton of clutch goals for the Leafs.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by jayswin

The Flames could have offered him a contract that any other team in the league could have offered him at the same time. I mean no agent or player is dumb enough to take a contract just because they're in that team's development camp.

You seem to have no clue how relationships between teams, players and agents work. Why did Mackey sign with the Flames? It’s about building relationships and trust. Hathaway tried to BS Conroy that he had other offers when they signed him and Conroy called him on it.

These players are far from a position of strength in bargaining. They weren’t drafted, let alone in a position to reject a contract. If they want to bet on themselves, that’s they it risk. Even players that are drafted. Whoppity do. The big thing is an NHL contract for anyone.

But you’re right. Beggars who weren’t drafted and attend a development camp are definitely not dumb, if/when they reject an NHL contract. I mean it’s not like they were passed over in the draft… oh… wait…

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It is accurate that he was a free agent and therefore could sign with anyone but but if this is true:

“I had no idea,” says the product of Dieppe, N.B., where Rogers Hometown Hockey makes a stop this weekend. “I [went] to Calgary’s development camp and they told me they didn’t want to invite me to main camp.

Then it sounds like they didn’t even try and I stand corrected.

Nice work covering your bases.

You are both accurate and stand corrected.

A more nuanced take on it could be. The scouts effectively identified a top level talent but management couldn’t bring them into the fold, whatever the reason.

This shows promise in scouting and deficiencies in management, which they have learned from over time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

That's an assumption on your part. Perhaps the scouts advised not to sign him coming out of that camp. We don't know.
I was admitting I was wrong. Not sure what else you want. But I have no desire to argue further about it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

^^^ Neither did the whole team. Matthews is still one of the best goal scorers in the league and has scored a ton of clutch goals for the Leafs.

What clutch goals in the POs?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What clutch goals in the POs?

Just one in the post season, but it was a game winner. That is a Matthews specialty. Game winning goals. This past season he scored the most in the league. 12 game winners. Compare that to the Flames where Johnny Hockey and the much maligned Sean Monahan each had five GWG. Interestingly, "Big Game" Matthew Tkachuk didn't notch a game winner this past season. Matthews is consistently a league leader in scoring when the game is on the line. Yup, the Leafs #### the bed in the post-season, but when it comes a clutch player there aren't many better in the league than Matthews.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Just one in the post season, but it was a game winner. That is a Matthews specialty. Game winning goals. This past season he scored the most in the league. 12 game winners. Compare that to the Flames where Johnny Hockey and the much maligned Sean Monahan each had five GWG. Interestingly, "Big Game" Matthew Tkachuk didn't notch a game winner this past season. Matthews is consistently a league leader in scoring when the game is on the line. Yup, the Leafs #### the bed in the post-season, but when it comes a clutch player there aren't many better in the league than Matthews.

Game winner in a 5-1 game 2 blowout. He didn’t score any more goals when the Habs turned their attention to him. In fact for the rest of the series, when the chips were down, he got 2 assists.

Unless you are in OT or close to the end of a game in a tie, a GWG isn’t that big a deal IMO - it’s just a random fact of that particular game. That 5- game is an example. Who knew that the second Leafs goal was a game winner when it was scored? I think first goals in a game and tying goals show a lot more.

[Trolleydodger]

Apparently I'm the only Nascar fan here.

That other Ryan Ellis races in the truck series with some appearances in the other two series.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Just one in the post season, but it was a game winner. That is a Matthews specialty. Game winning goals. This past season he scored the most in the league. 12 game winners. Compare that to the Flames where Johnny Hockey and the much maligned Sean Monahan each had five GWG. Interestingly, "Big Game" Matthew Tkachuk didn't notch a game winner this past season. Matthews is consistently a league leader in scoring when the game is on the line. Yup, the Leafs #### the bed in the post-season, but when it comes a clutch player there aren't many better in the league than Matthews.

GWG is not an official stat, as it is inherently flawed.

The 4th goal in a 7-4 game may become the GWG simply because the losing team scored a late goal.

In baseball, the game winning RBI (again not an official stat) is the one which puts the winning team into a lead that they never relinquish. That makes way more sense, as it’s always a lead changing RBI.


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