[News] Shea Weber's career threatened by lingering foot, ankle problems

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

No true for Weber. Nashville and Montreal face recapture penalties if he were to straight up retire.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

[Roof-Daddy]

It's quite the coincidence how often a players inability to play through the pain correlates with the massive salary drop off in their long term front loaded (now illegal) contract.

[blender]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Most employees have long term disability. If I am unable to work due to injury, sickness etc. I get paid until I am 65.


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Good point.
And it is important to remember that when we talk about old players we are referring to men under 40. Younger than a lot of us here.
Yes, he's made millions, but the majority of players are not so fortunate and the rules can't discriminate.

[Huntingwhale]

I got a chuckle of how a player who made a living shattering his opponent's ankles with perhaps the hardest slapshot off all time, now has ankle problems himself. Shades of Pronger retiring with concussion issues after dishing out so many himself.

Would love to see him retire and see how hard Nashville gets screwed. I want to see a big recapture penalty like that come to fruition years later and play itself out in real time.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I got a chuckle of how a player who made a living shattering his opponent's ankles with perhaps the hardest slapshot off all time, now has ankle problems himself. Shades of Pronger retiring with concussion issues after dishing out so many himself.

Would love to see him retire and see how hard Nashville gets screwed. I want to see a big recapture penalty like that come to fruition years later and play itself out in real time.

But what is the motivation for a player to retire when he is physically unable to play due to cumulative injuries?

This is what LTIR is designed to cover.


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[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But what is the motivation for a player to retire when he is physically unable to play due to cumulative injuries?

This is what LTIR is designed to cover.


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True. But some people just want to see the world burn. That's me in this scenario

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Most employees have long term disability. If I am unable to work due to injury, sickness etc. I get paid until I am 65.


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Yeah but you are also subject to independent medical exams and continuing medical review. Does anyone think that Hossa is getting continually reviewed for his eczema condition? Does anyone think in a year when Weber's ankle is healed that there's a scenario where an independent medical exam clears him to play? No. They just ride off into the sunset so it's not the same as disability for most employees that are subject to strict rules and have to constantly prove they can't work. These guys claim they can't play and that's it as once they go on LTIR they are essentially retired. Weber has four years left on his deal. One would think after a year or two his ankle would be in a lot better shape than today so in the real world he would have to come back and play the last two years of his deal but this isn't the real world. This is the NHL where we just saw a team win the cup by being $18 million over the cap so the comparisons to what happens in regular workplace doesn't really apply.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by 868904

Gee didn't see this coming.

I think every team will be manipulating the cap like this by signing veterans to longer terms and using the natural physical deterioration of the body as they age as an excuse or reason to terminate or lessen the cap hit.


NHL has to be really careful here.

To be fair to everyone involved, Weber's contract was an offer sheet by Philadelphia that Nashville matched

[Scroopy Noopers]

Nm, not related.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The league already changed the cap recapture rules specifically to address Weber's contract, so you'd think they wouldn't let them off the hook... But of course they will.

Which is good for comedy purposes because it means that the only contract that rule will actually apply to, ever, is the Luongo one. Everyone else gets to weasel their way around it. Man, that contract sucks.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

He will be back for the playoffs if they make it, his heart didn't seem to be in it for the regular season the past few years, this is just him and the team finding common ground

This is exactly what will happen. If the Habs make the playoffs next year he will play in the playoffs even though Montreal will probably be against the cap. TB set the mark here, why wouldn't they do it?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The league already changed the cap recapture rules specifically to address Weber's contract, so you'd think they wouldn't let them off the hook... But of course they will.

Which is good for comedy purposes because it means that the only contract that rule will actually apply to, ever, is the Luongo one. Everyone else gets to weasel their way around it. Man, that contract sucks.

I hate the Canucks as much as any Flames fan but they got kind of a raw deal compared to some of these other teams. Funny thing is that the Flyers were the ones that front loaded that deal and screwed it up for the Habs as if it was less of a front loaded deal Weber would likely still be making around $5-6 million later in the deal which would have worked out better for Montreal as he's still an effective player and now they lose his services because he doesn't want to play for $3 million and $1 million a season.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah but you are also subject to independent medical exams and continuing medical review. Does anyone think that Hossa is getting continually reviewed for his eczema condition? Does anyone think in a year when Weber's ankle is healed that there's a scenario where an independent medical exam clears him to play? No. They just ride off into the sunset so it's not the same as disability for most employees that are subject to strict rules and have to constantly prove they can't work. These guys claim they can't play and that's it as once they go on LTIR they are essentially retired. Weber has four years left on his deal. One would think after a year or two his ankle would be in a lot better shape than today so in the real world he would have to come back and play the last two years of his deal but this isn't the real world. This is the NHL where we just saw a team win the cup by being $18 million over the cap so the comparisons to what happens in regular workplace doesn't really apply.

The salary cap is a psyop.

https://defector.com/the-salary-cap-is-a-psyop/

Anyway, it doesn’t matter if your workplace is rich AF. If you get injured doing your job and can’t continue to do it, and you were operating within health and safety guidelines for your workplace, you’re getting long term benefits.

Weber didn’t hurt his feet in a motorcycle accident or skydiving- he’s got lots of video he can point to where he’s getting shot in the foot at 90 mph, doing the job he’s paid to do.

The hyper exclusive pro sports league run by a cadre of billionaires has a more deluxe system. Surprise.

[sureLoss]

Sounds like the NHL might have issue with Weber being put on LTIR:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1415697707528765444

[powderjunkie]

I wonder if they overplayed their hand by talking about never playing again, immediately after he played 25+ mins in the playoffs.

Announce he'll need surgery and miss most of the next season, then go from there.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Sounds like the NHL might have issue with Weber being put on LTIR:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1415697707528765444

What case does the NHL have after letting Hossa LTIRetire for eczema of all things? They would have had to know the flood gates would open after that one as a lot of GM's weren't happy about that.

[Incogneto]

This is what the Flames need to come out and say about Gio right now.

'Mark is really hurt. Might not play next year. We will expose him.'
'Mark might retire. We will expose him.'

[mrdonkey]

The NHL pushes back on this but is totally okay to let Hossa retire after a suspiciously-timed equipment allergy? Okay then.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's quite the coincidence how often a players inability to play through the pain correlates with the massive salary drop off in their long term front loaded (now illegal) contract.

Weren’t we the first team to actually open that can of worms with the Kipper contract?

I think that was the first “back diver”

[Toonage]

I would imagine the firestorm over Tampa's cap plays a role on how this is being looked at and why past instances perhaps were not.