07-09-2021, 11:12 AM
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#41
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
She has hardly any connection to this team. Kind of weak of Athletic to bring her in from out of Province to cover this team. She could end up being good, but right now she has as much credibility as a Flames insider as O’Dog.
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She has been for a while now right? Maybe she does have some sources around management and agents.
Friedman could have posted the exact same words honestly. Who knows what her sources are but agree she hasn’t really broken anything Flames related at this point.
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07-09-2021, 11:19 AM
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#42
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Yeah, the Flames are probably going to screw this up just like they screwed up the Brodie asset management situation.
They'll hang onto Gaudreau because they'll be a playoff bubble team, they'll either miss the playoffs or be first round fodder, then he'll walk as a UFA to his childhood team (or an eastern team) and the Flames will be left with jack #### for future assets.
Next up after that will be mismanaging the Tkachuk asset.
Man I hope I'm wrong, but this org really gets a guy jaded.
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Just get in, anything can happen in the playoffs though 
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07-09-2021, 11:38 AM
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#43
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Hailey has as good of a chance at having insider info as anyone in our media. She's outgoing, likes to chat and has connections around the NHL. Rather someone like this than others the Athletic has had covering Flames - just former Calgary Herald guys doing the same kind of articles they've done since the 90s.
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07-09-2021, 11:38 AM
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#44
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I honestly don’t even care anymore. If he signs, he signs. If not, we move on and it opens up an opportunity for someone else. It’s not like we’ve been some juggernaut of a team.
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07-09-2021, 11:44 AM
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#45
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They are in a tough spot. I think one of Tkachuk, Monahan, or Gaudreau is gone but nothing can really be done until the expansion draft is done.
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07-09-2021, 12:07 PM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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I can't see how the Flames would get into serious talks without a clear plan. They have to make decisions about all of Giordano, Monahan, Tkachuk, and Gaudreau. They've stated that a shake up is happening. The shake-up could take many different forms.
On top of that we're likely to see a very active off-season with big name players moving around: Eichel, Tarasenko, Hall, etc.. The Flames are likely in on that.
Throwing a contract at Gaudreau is the thing you do once you know what the plan is. Not what you do when you are still figuring out the basics of what the team will look like.
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07-09-2021, 02:05 PM
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#47
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Based on a single article on a single website?
We have no idea how he is going about this.
In my view the pinch point is when his NTC kicks in - they need to understand between now and then his real desire to be here and at what price and term.
But let's not over-react to a single column on the subject.
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Add to the fact Treliving is probably the most secretive GM in the league, I heard he once took such a hissy fit on an agent for a media leak he took the offer off the table.
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07-09-2021, 03:06 PM
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#48
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Add to the fact Treliving is probably the most secretive GM in the league, I heard he once took such a hissy fit on an agent for a media leak he took the offer off the table.
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Who was that?
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07-09-2021, 03:09 PM
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It's hard to suggest that contract negotiations have gone any direction when a contract can't be signed until after the free agent period begins. How can you say that there has been anything concrete until the signing period begins? Unless there is something that is indicative of either side having no interest (there is none) it seems premature to suggest either party is not serious about negotiations.
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07-09-2021, 03:29 PM
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The sky is falling
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07-09-2021, 03:32 PM
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
It's always a good time to panic.
Never stop panicking.
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07-09-2021, 03:38 PM
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#52
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Add to the fact Treliving is probably the most secretive GM in the league, I heard he once took such a hissy fit on an agent for a media leak he took the offer off the table.
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Have you heard of Lou Lamoriello?
Calgary doesn't seem particularly secretive IMO
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07-09-2021, 04:11 PM
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#53
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The Flames window for success closed at the start of the 2016-17 season
Monahan, Gaudreau both came off their ELC contracts and Gio went from 4M to 6.75 The same flames that had cap space to pay 9 NHL forwards and 5 NHL D-men tied up an extra 13M for the same guys that were on the team in 2015-16.
The 2014-15 team had Wideman-Russell-Brodie-Engelland-Gio
Hudler, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Stajan, David Jones, Colbourne, Ferland, Bouma, Paul Byron had the Flames 10 deep at forward with Jooris, Bollig , Mason Raymond, were the 4th liners. Glencross was traded at the trading deadline.
Compare that to the dreck that the cap has the Flames in their bottom 4 this year.
Compared to the 2020-21 D try to slot in Hanifin and Andersson, Hint Engelland was better.
The big 3 cap grab in the summer of 2016 took away the ability to get good support players and it turns out the core wasn't good enough to carry the team.
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07-09-2021, 04:32 PM
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#54
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
The Flames window for success closed at the start of the 2016-17 season
Monahan, Gaudreau both came off their ELC contracts and Gio went from 4M to 6.75 The same flames that had cap space to pay 9 NHL forwards and 5 NHL D-men tied up an extra 13M for the same guys that were on the team in 2015-16.
The 2014-15 team had Wideman-Russell-Brodie-Engelland-Gio
Hudler, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Stajan, David Jones, Colbourne, Ferland, Bouma, Paul Byron had the Flames 10 deep at forward with Jooris, Bollig , Mason Raymond, were the 4th liners. Glencross was traded at the trading deadline.
Compare that to the dreck that the cap has the Flames in their bottom 4 this year.
Compared to the 2020-21 D try to slot in Hanifin and Andersson, Hint Engelland was better.
The big 3 cap grab in the summer of 2016 took away the ability to get good support players and it turns out the core wasn't good enough to carry the team.
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This may be an issue of hindsight bias?
There's a reason why many of the Flames players on the 2014-2017 team were out of the league 1-2 years after leaving the Flames. Many were fringe NHLers and just not very good at professional hockey:
Bouma, Jones, Glencross (later version), Colborne, Jooris, Bolig, and Stajan all featured heavily in the bottom and even middle six of the Flames in that error. They were all out of the league 1-2 years later. That 2014/15 team overperformed.
The defence in that playoff run also had Smid, Schlemko, Wideman (who had one good season for the team), and Russell.
The Flames current set of d-men is not only much deeper but has much more room for growth. The forward core is also much better. The issues with the Flames haven't been with the personal but with the coaching and team identity. The Flames roster issues going forward have to do with potentially the top two players both wanting to go to their respective hometown teams.
On paper, the current team is the best it's been in a long time.
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07-09-2021, 04:38 PM
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^That would be true if the top players were as good as we thought they were.
They aren't.
That's the issue.
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07-09-2021, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
^That would be true if the top players were as good as we thought they were.
They aren't.
That's the issue.
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Well... they might not be. They also might be exactly as good as we thought they were. Are they the best versions of themselves as players, or the worst version? We've seen both, with last year leaning towards the latter, but that doesn't mean they can't return to the former.
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07-09-2021, 04:48 PM
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#57
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
^That would be true if the top players were as good as we thought they were.
They aren't.
That's the issue.
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I think that had lot to do with coaching. They looked great when actually allowed to play together on the top line.
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07-09-2021, 04:52 PM
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#58
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Originally Posted by blankall
I think that had lot to do with coaching. They looked great when actually allowed to play together on the top line.
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They looked less worse.
I don't think they looked great.
On most nights, I do not have confidence that our best players will out play the other team's best players.
That's a problem.
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07-09-2021, 04:57 PM
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#59
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The Flames management Bunker is locked tighter than a snare drum. I dont think anyone knows wth is going on.
It's also why Friedmans Monahan info he shared on Edmonton radio today makes no sense. Because that'd be straight up breaking news in CGY.
I longer the cone of silence, the bigger explosion in roster tinkering IMO.
I dont think the Gaidreau thing is one way or the other just yet. Post expansion draft and pre prospect draft though, thats when I hope we get some idea of what's going on.
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07-09-2021, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dammage79
The Flames management Bunker is locked tighter than a snare drum. I dont think anyone knows wth is going on.
It's also why Friedmans Monahan info he shared on Edmonton radio today makes no sense. Because that'd be straight up breaking news in CGY.
I longer the cone of silence, the bigger explosion in roster tinkering IMO.
I dont think the Gaidreau thing is one way or the other just yet. Post expansion draft and pre prospect draft though, thats when I hope we get some idea of what's going on.
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I think you might be on to something here.
It must be a deal(s) with another team that respects BT's privacy - so not TOR, MTL, NYR LOL.
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