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Old 05-02-2021, 08:09 PM   #41
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Just another touched nerve at the seeming ineptitude of the Calgary Flames thought process. Granted we don't know what happens in practice and the locker room, but uhhh he's been playing better and better very year.

I guess it's just another bullet point on my off season watch list.

This team man, is really starting to grate on me.
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Old 05-02-2021, 08:24 PM   #42
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It’s complete bolshevik. Last game I saw him play he made one the nicest offensive AND defensive plays I’ve seen a Flame make this year...all because of his world class skating and speed. Made a beautiful rush to set up a goal and then absolutely jetted back, closing a huge gap to knock the puck away from someone in all alone. Don’t understand it at all.
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At this point I'd rather see guys like Kylington and Mackey in over Nestorov and Stone. Stone to me has been okay, but you know what he is and if you offer him 700k next year he's fine as a 7-8 defender. But time to let these younger guys play a bit at this level and see what they have.

I don't expect Kylington will move the needle as he's an elite skater and not much else. But if he's putting in the work at practice give him a go.
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Old 05-02-2021, 08:33 PM   #44
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I don't think we should play him and then trade him or let him walk and become really good somewhere else. #### it.
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Old 05-02-2021, 08:57 PM   #45
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I honestly believe the bottom pair should have been a rotation of Valimaki, Nesterov, and Kylington. I don't include Stone because he came out of nowhere to look like an NHL defenseman again, but the first 3 should have been the plan from the start.
None of those three are good enough to play their off side in the NHL, with Nesterov being the least bad option.

Rotate those three LHS with Stone and you might have something that's workable.
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Old 05-02-2021, 09:50 PM   #46
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It's much more important to give Nesterov the playing time so he can give away the puck on the powerplay.
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Old 05-02-2021, 10:05 PM   #47
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None of those three are good enough to play their off side in the NHL, with Nesterov being the least bad option.

Rotate those three LHS with Stone and you might have something that's workable.
The thing is kylington played on his offside for most of his time in Sweden, prior to the AHL. From my recollection, he has stated in the past that he prefers the offside. Perhaps that is why some wonder why he hasn’t been played on that side for more than a handful of games since he came over to NA.
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Old 05-02-2021, 11:59 PM   #48
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Defensemen make mistakes all the time, it just stands out more when Kylington makes a mistake, because it's Kylington. I didn't like it when we drafted him, so I always make a point of watching him closely when he plays, and he's gotten better and better every year, and his mistakes have become fewer and fewer, and less egregious. I've become a bit of a fan of his, and I believe he can't develop further unless he's given chances, as Valimaki has. He played a few games when Sutter came in, and looked very good, so give him time to work with Sutter while in the line-up. Or, we can give him away, and watch him beome a useful, everyday puck-rushing D-man somewhere else, ala Bennett.
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I agree with everything that Cali stated in his post, but with another point or two to add:


1) Kylington is the most 'modern' NHL defencemen in the system. Fast skater, hard slap shot, great wrister, etc.



2) This team has become a very low-scoring team from the defence, and Kylington MAY end up becoming someone that helps in that regard.


Now, am I sure that giving him a lot of rope will turn him into an important piece? I have no idea. The only thing that I am 100% positive about is that not playing him is guaranteed to make him fail.


Is Nesterov going to be re-signed? I doubt it. I think Kylington should get all of Nesterov's minutes. Is there someone else that isn't going to be re-signed next season? Stone 100% deserves his time that he is getting, but if he is not going to be re-signed, I think Mackey should be getting his minutes too.


I want to make sure that this organization doesn't leave a stone unturned in getting better for next season and beyond, and it should start with making sure that the players who are here in the organization get an opportunity to develop.
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It's much more important to give Nesterov the playing time so he can give away the puck on the powerplay.
Man I am so triggered by this.
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Old 05-03-2021, 10:56 AM   #51
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He's going to Seattle. So no.
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Old 05-03-2021, 11:15 AM   #52
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I think the thing the really limits Kylington's playing time is his complete inability to move or tie up bodies in the crease. I could see that really bugging coaches.

Most aspects of his game is pretty strong though, but the missing strength in front of the crease is a pretty big gap that I'm not sure he can overcome.

Still though, I'd like to see him try (and see if there's an improvement) over trotting out Stone or Nesterov instead.
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Old 05-03-2021, 11:28 AM   #53
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It’s a total waste of a second if you aren’t going to let the player play his style and give him chances to work out his game at the NHL level

If you were looking for a different type of player why did you aggressively target Kylington in the draft? It’s not like the scouting reports didn’t tell you what his strengths and weaknesses are
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He's going to Seattle. So no.
Doubt it

Since most teams are protecting 3 d/7 F Seattle will have way better choices than a guy who cleared waivers with a near minimum salary

Unless they draft like 16 defensemen and then try to make trades
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Old 05-03-2021, 11:30 AM   #55
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People talk about how Bennett was mismanaged. Kylington has been the most mismanaged player hands down.

You're not going to get much back for a guy that has played 2 games in the last 3 years.
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Old 05-03-2021, 12:08 PM   #56
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People talk about how Bennett was mismanaged. Kylington has been the most mismanaged player hands down.

You're not going to get much back for a guy that has played 2 games in the last 3 years.
they couldn't give him away he cleared waivers

I think fans are severely over rating this player
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Old 05-03-2021, 01:10 PM   #57
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they couldn't give him away he cleared waivers



I think fans are severely over rating this player
Hard to evaluate a player when he gets into a handful of games all season. He may be exactly what the coaches think he is, but I'm still going to complain if we end up watching the Nestorov-Stone pair down the stretch while Kylington didn't even get AHL games and now it seems he won't get dead time minutes either.
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Old 05-03-2021, 03:13 PM   #58
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Yes, Kylington should definitely be playing more. I'd rather see him make mistakes and learn from it than Nesterov making mistakes since he likely isn't coming back.
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Hard to evaluate a player when he gets into a handful of games all season. He may be exactly what the coaches think he is, but I'm still going to complain if we end up watching the Nestorov-Stone pair down the stretch while Kylington didn't even get AHL games and now it seems he won't get dead time minutes either.
I am fine if he plays but I wonder why so many people see something no NHL GM sees

Also "down the stretch" is probably two games unless Montreal goes 2-4 and the Flames win the next 2
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