LeBrun talks to Treliving ahead of trade deadline

[zamler]

Sutter is a good hire I have no problem with it. We know for sure (or almost at this point) the core needs to be changed.

[FlamingHomer]

I don't even know why the media bothers to interview a GM. They aren't going to give you anything. All the answers need to be very guarded.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by zamler

Sutter is a good hire I have no problem with it. We know for sure (or almost at this point) the core needs to be changed.

But most of us knew this a year and a half ago.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

But most of us knew this a year and a half ago.

I'm not as smart as you or "most of us" because I didn't, thought this core was capable of some good consistent hockey. Nope. Lazy, out of shape, lack of skill, whatever it is this core sucks.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again - I think people are over-rating those expiring contracts. You may be able to get something for Ryan and Rittich. But the rest? Why would other teams want our depth players who haven't been good enough to even be in the lineup every day? There's better choices out there even if you are only trading a late pick. Easy to say trade those expiring contracts. What if no one wants them?

For me... thats his job to market and sell everybody he can. If he does his best and can only move 3 of them that's fine by me. But he should be busting his ass to turn the roster over and get younger players in for evaluation down the stretch, and publicly proclaiming he's open for business, not premptively talking about how hard it is to make moves and he will do it later. Feels like he is defeated before he even starts.

It's this franchise in a nutshell right now, never finding success or doing much but that's OK because it's hard to make trades or find change due to ______. Time of year, contract status, where the team is at. Pat yourself on the back... thats all you could do. Park the excuses or hit the bricks imo

I'll judge him on the results and appreciate some of this may be smoke, but shrugging your shoulders in advance and sending out standing put because it's too hard messages to the media rubs me the wrong way.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

But most of us knew this a year and a half ago.

I don’t think anyone would have predicted the core players’ scoring ability (including Tkachuk) would have dropped off so badly. Their trade value has dropped accordingly, placing Treliving in a very weak position if he wants to trade to right the ship for next season. Unless their poor scoring is an aberration, and there is a big bounce back without any trades (very unlikely), I think we’re in for a few lean years.

[Saqe]

Treliving is a total politician like always, says nothing and in this case it's fine although like always, total bs. He probably can't move any of the core pieces right now without getting hosed. But I'm not sure it's getting much easier in the summer, everyone knows he's looking to make a move plus guys are underperforming big time.

[heep223]

I don’t understand people saying Tre is a gun-shy GM...he’s made some massive deals and significant (terrible) FA signings.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by heep223

I don’t understand people saying Tre is a gun-shy GM...he’s made some massive deals and significant (terrible) FA signings.

His last big trade was a long time ago....

His FA signings are average at best

His best value as a GM is his ability to resign contracts

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again - I think people are over-rating those expiring contracts. You may be able to get something for Ryan and Rittich. But the rest? Why would other teams want our depth players who haven't been good enough to even be in the lineup every day? There's better choices out there even if you are only trading a late pick. Easy to say trade those expiring contracts. What if no one wants them?

Agree with this. Rittich may have most value but the market for backup goalie is so small, and BSD doesn’t have much playoff experience.

You’d think Ryan would be worth something but these teams value their own draft picks too. They’re looking for someone that will move the needle for them and there are other vets out there being dangled who will be alternatives.

This is essentially an auction scenario. I’m sure every GM in the league knows BT will move any UFA.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Matty81

For me... thats his job to market and sell everybody he can. If he does his best and can only move 3 of them that's fine by me. But he should be busting his ass to turn the roster over and get younger players in for evaluation down the stretch, and publicly proclaiming he's open for business, not premptively talking about how hard it is to make moves and he will do it later. Feels like he is defeated before he even starts.

It's this franchise in a nutshell right now, never finding success or doing much but that's OK because it's hard to make trades or find change due to ______. Time of year, contract status, where the team is at. Pat yourself on the back... thats all you could do. Park the excuses or hit the bricks imo

I'll judge him on the results and appreciate some of this may be smoke, but shrugging your shoulders in advance and sending out standing put because it's too hard messages to the media rubs me the wrong way.

Well again I think the reality may be that

The pending ufas have little to no value
The core changes that should be made are more possible in the off season

Should he be open for business? Yes and I think he is
Again what he says to the media is largely bafflegab

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Matty81

For me... thats his job to market and sell everybody he can. If he does his best and can only move 3 of them that's fine by me. But he should be busting his ass to turn the roster over and get younger players in for evaluation down the stretch, and publicly proclaiming he's open for business, not premptively talking about how hard it is to make moves and he will do it later. Feels like he is defeated before he even starts.

It's this franchise in a nutshell right now, never finding success or doing much but that's OK because it's hard to make trades or find change due to ______. Time of year, contract status, where the team is at. Pat yourself on the back... thats all you could do. Park the excuses or hit the bricks imo

I'll judge him on the results and appreciate some of this may be smoke, but shrugging your shoulders in advance and sending out standing put because it's too hard messages to the media rubs me the wrong way.

That's where I'm at too. There's always some excuse coming from the head office about how it's hard to make the necessary changes right now because ____. We couldn't get so and so done because it wasn't the right timing or the right deal wasn't there. And it's never the perfect time, so assets just depreciate until they're no longer worth anything or walk for free. It's the Achilles heel of this organization and it frustrates me to hell that they never seem to learn.

It's one thing to be reasonably patient and not make stupid trades, but they paint themselves into a corner by waiting too long. Every. Time. And there are sections of this fanbase that eat it up and even give praise for it. Well, now we're lying in the bed of that ultra-conservative philosophy, with almost no room to dig our way back out. Feels good, dunnit?

God, I'm just so tired.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by flambers

His last big trade was a long time ago....

His FA signings are average at best

His best value as a GM is his ability to sign contracts

‘Average’ is generous. FA signings have been terrible. I just wouldn’t characterize him as gun shy.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Agree with this. Rittich may have most value but the market for backup goalie is so small, and BSD doesn’t have much playoff experience.

You’d think Ryan would be worth something but these teams value their own draft picks too. They’re looking for someone that will move the needle for them and there are other vets out there being dangled who will be alternatives.

This is essentially an auction scenario. I’m sure every GM in the league knows BT will move any UFA.

Agreed
So not only does your player need to have value he needs to be preferred over alternatives available for a similar price
Rittich may have value but he’s so inconsistent that doesn’t make for an ideal backup

I too think someone could use Derek Ryan because of his versatility

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again - I think people are over-rating those expiring contracts. You may be able to get something for Ryan and Rittich. But the rest? Why would other teams want our depth players who haven't been good enough to even be in the lineup every day? There's better choices out there even if you are only trading a late pick. Easy to say trade those expiring contracts. What if no one wants them?

I’m not even convinced there is a market for Rittich. They can probably get a 6th or 7th for Ryan. I was hoping for a 3rd for Bennett but reading media articles think that’s a bit of a reach. I’m starting to think they will keep Bennettt so they can leave him exposed for expansion draft , so Seattle won’t take Gio. Not sure I like that plan at all. I’ve been vocal that I think flames should have traded Gio for a year now.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by heep223

‘Average’ is generous. FA signings have been terrible. I just wouldn’t characterize him as gun shy.

Not sure if gun shy is the correct term, however it seems like he really struggles to execute a trade. (could be the Flames over value their players)

I would view him the bottom tier in the league in terms of ability to trade

Sure he works hard, as the media always reference.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’m not even convinced there is a market for Rittich. They can probably get a 6th or 7th for Ryan. I was hoping for a 3rd for Bennett but reading media articles think that’s a bit of a reach. I’m starting to think they will keep Bennettt so they can leave him exposed for expansion draft , so Seattle won’t take Gio. Not sure I like that plan at all. I’ve been vocal that I think flames should have traded Gio for a year now.

Could be that Seattle and Calgary have already talked about those types of scenarios.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well again I think the reality may be that

The pending ufas have little to no value
The core changes that should be made are more possible in the off season

Should he be open for business? Yes and I think he is
Again what he says to the media is largely bafflegab

Yep I agree, not holding aces. Just like to hear more positive messaging. Explain why you didn't make more moves afterwards if that's what happens. When u see the flames paying picks for guys like fantenberg and forbert over the years no need to completely give up hope that leivo, nesterov, Ritchie etc might not catch someone's eye for a late pick or longshot prospect. I also get that he is a politician as others have said, just a little fatigued with it.

[Calgary4LIfe]

This may be a contrarian viewpoint here, but I am relieved that Treliving isn't doing anything different.


The last thing I want to see is a GM making silly moves to appease the fanbase, or out of anger, or even out of fear of losing his job.


They have to figure out why this happened. Whether it is Treliving or someone else, I would want them to approach it the same exact way - investigate what the heck is wrong with the team, identify what is wrong with the team, and figure out how to fix it. I am not in favour of "The Flames have to move Gaudreau", or "Monahan" or "Giordano" or "insert core player here". Maybe the core is wrong. Maybe there is another issue. Maybe a rebuild has to be done. Maybe it is just changing a piece or two. Maybe it is all about conditioning and the players need to be tasked with coming back much more fit. Who the heck knows at this stage?


I don't care about the Flames appeasing me, or me somehow getting my ounce of flesh that, as a fan, seems to somehow be owed to me. I just care that they get this right, and that I can have a team headed in the right direction again. That's it, that's all. Whether Treliving is part of that, or what players are part of that - not for me to decide. I just look forward to seeing what changes are made, and to see what happens next season.


I am just glad that there isn't any knee-jerk reactions happening. They should be measured actions.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Relax, he is just trying say it’s a process.

Treliving is in the process of creating a crap team.