Cap circumvention Nikita Kucherov

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by browntrout

For me it's so many blantent attempts to circumvent the cap that I can't see how the NHL can't at the very least investigate this. The Kovalchuk although contract was a perfect example of the NHL flexing their muscles. Technically the contract was legit, but clearly it was cap circumvention, and that's how the NHL nailed them. I don't blames Tampa Bay for doing what they did, but you cant tell me they knew exactly what they were doing, their is an article in the athletic that claims team mates can see that he is literally 100 percent in practices. I believe they will be investigated and that the hammer will come down. Potential to be just a huge storyline going into the playoffs. Becoming a big deal in some East coast media outlets

Link to article?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This is Tampa didn't need to be any better...there needs to be a rule or the whole thing is a joke.

Ten regular season games or no playoffs...sorry guy

So, bubble NHL players who spend most of the season on the Taxi Squad, in the minors or eating popcorn are ineligible to play in the playoffs? Does a team have to play iron man with injured players not being replaced because they don't have enough 10 game minimum players to step in? How is the rule change worded to not completely bone teams that sustain injuries in the playoffs?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Reaper

So, bubble NHL players who spend most of the season on the Taxi Squad, in the minors or eating popcorn are ineligible to play in the playoffs? Does a team have to play iron man with injured players not being replaced because they don't have enough 10 game minimum players to step in? How is the rule change worded to not completely bone teams that sustain injuries in the playoffs?

Well for one the taxi squad is a one year thing so I wouldn't worry about that moving forward. 10 games on the roster...they can be scratched but not on LTIR.

Guys playing in the AHL would be exempt too.


Or just let teams keep cheating

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

the taxi squad is a one year thing

For now.
{spooky noises}

[Huntingwhale]

TIL Marian Gaborik was on the TBL roster . Thought he retired a couple years ago.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

That would mess with TDL acquisitions...which would hurt bad teams trying to sell assets to improve in the future. I think it would actually be really tough and complicated to do a round by round cap without totally altering the way everything is known to work...

That’s probably true. Whatever the solution is, I think it has to be changing the way cap is treated in the playoffs instead of using game limits though.

Surgery is one thing, there are some expected timelines with that and rehab and once a guy is skating with the team, you should expect him back in fairly short order. But you take a concussion issue, and I think putting in game limits means there’s added pressure for a guy to come back early who might otherwise be available for sometime during the playoffs.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This is Tampa didn't need to be any better...there needs to be a rule or the whole thing is a joke.

Ten regular season games or no playoffs...sorry guy

This creates a much bigger problem. Like what if a team runs into injury problems in the playoffs? Would they just play shorthanded if they had no one who met the criteria? Would teams just cycle in AHL players throughout the season to get as many guys 10 games as they can?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

This creates a much bigger problem. Like what if a team runs into injury problems in the playoffs? Would they just play shorthanded if they had no one who met the criteria? Would teams just cycle in AHL players throughout the season to get as many guys 10 games as they can?

10 game rule can be applied to the AHL as well. Simple. Even if they try to bury salary, it's still only so effective.

[The Cobra]

Why can’t they just apply the cap also to the playoffs? I’ve never understood the rationale for ignoring it once the season was over.


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[gvitaly]

I have a much simpler rule in mind, and it does give some leeway to banking cap space during the season. Make it so that the 20 dressed players (and cap are penalties like buyouts) can’t exceed the cap in any one game played. That way you can’t dress a 90million dollar roster for a playoff game when the cap is 82. It would allow a team to change players with high cap hits between games but I’m okay with that.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Why can’t they just apply the cap also to the playoffs? I’ve never understood the rationale for ignoring it once the season was over.


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Mostly because players make $0 in the playoffs and while I'm sure the league would prefer it, it was probably a concession given in negotiations.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Mostly because players make $0 in the playoffs and while I'm sure the league would prefer it, it was probably a concession given in negotiations.

Why would players care?

What does the players making zero relate to this issue?

I do get that having no cap during the playoffs affects deadline deals, but that would likely be more important to the league than the players.


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[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Why can’t they just apply the cap also to the playoffs? I’ve never understood the rationale for ignoring it once the season was over.


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That would require a total overhaul of everything cap related. You'd need to give several years notice to implement it, and I'm not sure exactly how you'd do it. I don't think it really benefits either the PA or league to change it, so why would they bother?

IMO this is mostly an internal issue among the owners.

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I have a much simpler rule in mind, and it does give some leeway to banking cap space during the season. Make it so that the 20 dressed players (and cap are penalties like buyouts) can’t exceed the cap in any one game played. That way you can’t dress a 90million dollar roster for a playoff game when the cap is 82. It would allow a team to change players with high cap hits between games but I’m okay with that.

Again, this kills the TDL, and player movement in general.

[neo45]

lol at anyone in the hockey world who actually believed this was “just really interesting timing”

I liked Lebrun until he was moronic enough to tweet “I’m sure they would rather have the player” like that’s what the controversy is over.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

10 game rule can be applied to the AHL as well. Simple. Even if they try to bury salary, it's still only so effective.

The issue is the rule allowing teams to replace the salary of a player on the LTIR. If the NHL thought this was a problem, they would get rid of that rule. It created this "loophole" and the LTIRetirement "loophole"

[Fighting Banana Slug]

This was an obvious issue that the NHL needed to address after P. Kane came back in the playoffs for Chicago a few years ago. Shouldn’t be that hard by extending a notional cap into the playoffs. Before a player can return from LTIR, the team needs to be cap compliant, whether on the first or last day of regular season, or first or last day of the playoffs. He can’t come back until the team figures it out.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I have a much simpler rule in mind, and it does give some leeway to banking cap space during the season. Make it so that the 20 dressed players (and cap are penalties like buyouts) can’t exceed the cap in any one game played. That way you can’t dress a 90million dollar roster for a playoff game when the cap is 82. It would allow a team to change players with high cap hits between games but I’m okay with that.

It would change how the trade deadline works but that would be a good thing as well.

The whole load up on big salaries for 1/4 of the cost at the deadline is in general not good for the NHL.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Again, this kills the TDL, and player movement in general.

That’s why I said 20, not 23 players... it still gives a team an option to exceed the cap by anything from 2.1M for the whole roster... you can dress a cheap 700k backup or something similar. Anyways, it was just a thought.

I think it would reduce the big game hunting during the deadline, but it is already reduced because everyone is up to the cap anyways. Teams need to send salary back regardless.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GGG

It would change how the trade deadline works but that would be a good thing as well.

The whole load up on big salaries for 1/4 of the cost at the deadline is in general not good for the NHL.

I think the trade deadline is the main issue. It seriously limits a team's ability to make transactions to become cap compliant at the start of the playoffs if they are using the temporary LTIR cap relief.

It's kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. The NHL doesn't want to create a situation where teams are discouraged from supplementing their rosters if they have significant injuries, and I don't think fans want that either.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GGG

It would change how the trade deadline works but that would be a good thing as well.

The whole load up on big salaries for 1/4 of the cost at the deadline is in general not good for the NHL.

How do you figure?

Bad teams can get better returns for their assets and it keeps fans more engaged. Shrewd teams leverage their cap space effectively

Originally Posted by Geeoff

The issue is the rule allowing teams to replace the salary of a player on the LTIR. If the NHL thought this was a problem, they would get rid of that rule. It created this "loophole" and the LTIRetirement "loophole"

And LTIR is the only place where tweaks are needed.

I don't know anything about the salary cap in NFL, but if you put a player on IR they are done for the season. The NHL already has IR and LTIR (TBH I've never dug into the difference)...doesn't seem like it would be hard to implement a rule where you 'earn' playoff eligibility for contracts over a certain threshold.