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[Geeoff]

IMO if Dube is in the rotating group of guys that can come in and out of the lineup, we should trade him before his value drops. There was a point we could've gotten something in return for Jankowski and replaced him with some waiver fodder.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

IMO if Dube is in the rotating group of guys that can come in and out of the lineup, we should trade him before his value drops. There was a point we could've gotten something in return for Jankowski and replaced him with some waiver fodder.

Trade Dube? Hell no

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Stanley

If anything Backlund's line is the 4th line. We'll see how the icetime goes...

That's kinda where I am at too. New baby Brain-fart Backlund could use a couple of games where the heat is off a bit because his last few games haven't been the greatest.

[Strange Brew]

Let's not act like players such as Dube and Valimaki aren't getting their chances this season. They have played tons of games and will play many more. Stone is not taking away development time from Valimaki in the least. Of all the thing sgoing wrong this season, young players getting an occasional scratch isn't one of them.

To anyone who suggests there is a double standard between say a Gaudreau and a Dube, well this is professional sports. Results matter.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, I’d say it’s pretty much the only line entirely composed of NHL players.

I’m happy to see messages sent, and would like to see some stronger messages sent, but perhaps right before the trade deadline isn’t the opportune moment to scratch players you’re hopefully trading...

Are you saying you want Valimaki and Dube traded...?

This type of rotation should have always been on the table when Ward was the coach. But he had no balls to do it.

From the d you have Gio, Valimaki, Nesterov, Kylington, and now Stone. You have a dopey game you get benched.

From the forwards you have Dube, Bennett, Backlund, Levio, Ritchie, Nordstrom, Lucic, Robinson, Simon and Rinaldo. You have a dopey game you get benched.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Stoner earned another game

Always earned

Win and stay in

Yup, the guy got an opportunity to play and played well. I can't imagine why people are shocked that he stays in for now. Lord knows he'll have an off game and will be back out in favor of Valimaki again, but for now, he's earned another game.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

IMO if Dube is in the rotating group of guys that can come in and out of the lineup, we should trade him before his value drops. There was a point we could've gotten something in return for Jankowski and replaced him with some waiver fodder.

I'm not on the trade Dube wagon, but we need the organization to get a better handle on what they have in their own players. Players like Jankowski and Colborne had value at one point, but eventually left for nothing. It's complicated because player performance isn't consistent or entirely predictable, but we could use a couple more instances of selling high on a player, a la Sven.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Let's not act like players such as Dube and Valimaki aren't getting their chances this season. They have played tons of games and will play many more. Stone is not taking away development time from Valimaki in the least. Of all the thing sgoing wrong this season, young players getting an occasional scratch isn't one of them.

To anyone who suggests there is a double standard between say a Gaudreau and a Dube, well this is professional sports. Results matter.

And more to the point: Gaudreau responded well to criticism levied at him by Sutter and played quite well last game (for the most part). Dube did not respond that well, and he made some really big errors that were unforced. An yes, taking him out over Gaudreau is the easier thing to do, but young players have time in the pressbox all the time. It's not unheard of.

Gaudreau is a vet and one of the top 2 or 3 players on the team, so the only thing putting him in the pressbox does is alienate him by intentionally singling him out. You hope that by pressing his buttons to compete harder he does it on his own. Looks like it worked a little last game...we'll see if it continues or not.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Trade Dube? Hell no

I would rather see Dube in the top 6 but if he's gonna be used interchangeably with borderline NHLers and grinders, we're not getting the most out of him.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

IMO if Dube is in the rotating group of guys that can come in and out of the lineup, we should trade him before his value drops. There was a point we could've gotten something in return for Jankowski and replaced him with some waiver fodder.

Relax, Flames aren't trading Dube, I'm sure he's a big part of the plan moving forward.

He's NOT a Jankowski

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Kent nails it

https://twitter.com/user/status/1376576337268248577

The Flames had no choice with the losing streak. Plus, Stone is a big d-man with a big shot from the point (and right handed shot) that the Flames lack. I don't blame Sutter for putting him in. If Stone is in shape and has been keeping up in the AHL, no loss in putting him back in. He looked good coming back. If the young D were doing their jobs consistently, this would've never happened.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Relax, Flames aren't trading Dube, I'm sure he's a big part of the plan moving forward.

He's NOT a Jankowski

Through his first 102 games, Dube has 14 goals and 37 points. Janko through the same period had 21 goals and 35 points.

Dube is younger than Janko was at that point but I don't a grand canyon of difference between the two at that point in their career. Dube far from untouchable IMO.

[Coach]

Sitting Valimaki and Dube IS part of their development.

As long as it doesn't turn into a long-term replacement, it's all about teching them to be better while you still can.

Although I'm not a huge fan of how they are managing Kylington. I think he's been at least as good as both Nesterov and Valimaki and deserves to be part of a more frequent rotation.

[nik-]

This schedule sucks.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yup, the guy got an opportunity to play and played well. I can't imagine why people are shocked that he stays in for now. Lord knows he'll have an off game and will be back out in favor of Valimaki again, but for now, he's earned another game.

Stone managed to get the big shot on target, too.

[FanIn80]

Sutter himself said he needed reliable experience on the back end, and it turns out that was a key difference in the win. Does Valimaki have more upside than Stone? Obviously. My bottle of orange juice has more upside than Stone... but neither my OJ or Valiamki have anywhere near as much NHL experience as Stone does.

Sutter came here to win games. If we need to eliminate defensive mistakes in order to win, and the key to doing that is to dress Stone over Valimaki, then so be it.

The season isn't over. This isn't like most years. Every game we play is worth 4 points, so we just need a good winning streak and then we're right back in the picture. We're not going to draft in the top five even if we suck, and apparently this is a lousy draft anyway -- so drafting in the top five is going to be a crapshoot even if we did get there.

Make the playoffs and let's see what Sutter can do with these guys. Worst case: we lose in the first round and Sutter learns first-hand who needs to go and who he can work with.

[I_H8_Crawford]

489 - 0 Jets

[blender]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Kent nails it

https://twitter.com/user/status/1376576337268248577

Say what you want about Stone but Flames need his shot from the point. Was noticeable last game.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by blender

Say what you want about Stone but Flames need his shot from the point. Was noticeable last game.

If 90% of your offense is generated from along the boards or shots from the point (like the flames seem to be right now) then having a guy with a cannon back there probably isn't the worst strategy.

I mean ideally you'd have guys going to the net and getting chances from the slot but since that isn't our MO these days may as well try Stone

[blender]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

If 90% of your offense is generated from along the boards or shots from the point (like the flames seem to be right now) then having a guy with a cannon back there probably isn't the worst strategy.

I mean ideally you'd have guys going to the net and getting chances from the slot but since that isn't our MO these days may as well try Stone

Agreed.
And even if you do have a slot presence, the big point shot keeps the opposition forwards honest as they have to be out there to block it.