03-26-2021, 03:14 PM
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Lulul Habs think they're contenders or something.
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03-26-2021, 03:15 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Jacks
He's getting older and has had a bad year in BUF but he scored 111 goals & 240 points in the previous 4 years in MIN. There is probably still enough gas in the tank to be an effective depth player.
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Getting older as in 1 year older than Lanny when he retired. Like others (Marleau comes to mind), the drop off has been sudden and steep.
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03-26-2021, 03:19 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
He's getting older and has had a bad year in BUF but he scored 111 goals & 240 points in the previous 4 years in MIN. There is probably still enough gas in the tank to be an effective depth player.
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He's 36 so I wouldn't put much stock in what happened any further than last season.
That said, his last season was actually pretty good, even put up 5 points in the playoffs.
The price seems very fair to me, although I guess maybe less than typical trade deadline rentals. But it's probably going to be that kind of a year in general, probably a bad year to be a seller.
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03-26-2021, 03:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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Looking at the Sabres roster, I was struck by Curtis Lazar's continued presence in the NHL. How does that guy stay in the league??
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03-26-2021, 03:26 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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The Habs need to try to make the most of Price before he really falls off the cliff. This is smart because Staal can still play, he makes the them harder to play against (he's a big guy), he brings a good veteran presence, and he was (relatively) cheap.
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03-26-2021, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by evman150
Looking at the Sabres roster, I was struck by Curtis Lazar's continued presence in the NHL. How does that guy stay in the league??
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Sabres need to ice an entire roster?
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03-26-2021, 03:42 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by evman150
Looking at the Sabres roster, I was struck by Curtis Lazar's continued presence in the NHL. How does that guy stay in the league??
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He's got better results than anyone on our 4th line and Sam Bennett this year. Honestly would easily take him over Bennett, he might even gel more with Mony-Johnny lol.
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03-26-2021, 04:27 PM
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Moving out a 3rd and 5th is pretty inconsequential when you're comfortably in a playoff spot and needing to add some depth for the playoffs. If they were moving a 1st or 2nds it would be a very different discussion.
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03-26-2021, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Poe969
The habs don't have to win the cup to make this "worth it". If Staal helps them not only make the playoffs but maybe win a round or two, the deal was more than worth it. They need some kind of success there, they'll make extra playoff money and the team gains some experience.
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Playoff money?
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03-26-2021, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Lulul Habs think they're contenders or something.
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When Sutter was hired lots of us hoped the Flames might be contenders, mostly because it wouldn’t take a miracle to get out of the weakness division this year.
Get into the final 4 and who knows what might happen.
They gave up a 3rd and a 5th. Not a big deal.
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03-26-2021, 05:08 PM
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I think if the Flames were in 4th and did this deal some opinions on here would be very different
I suppose time will tell...we can revisit this thread in a couple months and see what a shrewd move it is
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03-26-2021, 05:24 PM
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Location: Calgary
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I hope those that see this as a good gamble for Mtl also saw the Flames moving 3rd/4th rounders for the likes of Stone, Fantenberg and Gustaffson as worthy moves.
Personally, I think it is a waste for the Habs, as I am not sure Staal is an upgrade on anyone in their line up.
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03-26-2021, 05:32 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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I think this is a pretty good deal for Buffalo. Disaster of a season, 2 picks for Staal at this point is a nice return.
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03-26-2021, 05:44 PM
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Not the impact player he once was, but definitely doesn't make the habs worse. Decent move for them.
Not good news for the flames slimming playoff hopes.
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03-26-2021, 07:16 PM
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It's not nearly as big of a deal to be trading away a couple of mid-late round picks for depth when you have so many picks you couldn't hope to develop all of the players (they still have 12 picks). Flames went into the draft a few years back with no picks until the 4th round. Pretty big difference IMO.
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03-29-2021, 03:45 PM
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#56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
He's getting older and has had a bad year in BUF but he scored 111 goals & 240 points in the previous 4 years in MIN. There is probably still enough gas in the tank to be an effective depth player.
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which is why they traded anything for him. Clearly 8f there was a better offer buffalo would take it.
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03-29-2021, 03:51 PM
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#57
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
I hope those that see this as a good gamble for Mtl also saw the Flames moving 3rd/4th rounders for the likes of Stone, Fantenberg and Gustaffson as worthy moves.
Personally, I think it is a waste for the Habs, as I am not sure Staal is an upgrade on anyone in their line up.
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Staal was a 0.7 P/G player as recently as last season. Even at his age he's a better player than any of the guys you listed there.
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03-29-2021, 03:55 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
Staal was a 0.7 P/G player as recently as last season. Even at his age he's a better player than any of the guys you listed there.
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Gustaffson had 60pts the season before we traded for him as a 27 year old.
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03-29-2021, 03:58 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Who actually said Gus was a bad pickup though? He looked like he had a lot of potential, and even did fairly well here in the short stint. Well enough that Philly went and signed him right away for this season.
Stone and Fantenberg were more of a waste.
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03-29-2021, 04:02 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Who actually said Gus was a bad pickup though? He looked like he had a lot of potential, and even did fairly well here in the short stint. Well enough that Philly went and signed him right away for this season.
Stone and Fantenberg were more of a waste.
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Mathgod did say that Staal was better than any of the rentals the Flames picked up. Overall career yes but in recent terms the Flames pickup of Gustaffson was cheaper and he was a better player than the 36 year old Staal
Stone was a huge pickup at the time. Flames won 10 in a row after he was acquired and he was solid in that rental run. The extension that cost the team 3.5M and an additional pick was a huge mistake.
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