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Weitz · 03-23-2021, 12:48 PM

The curious thing is the 5 team trade list he will have after this year.

If he really wants to go to Philly, he can easily make that happen by using the trade list to get there - and you get an even worse return.

I think if you plan to trade gaudreau you have to do it before the deadline this year. I just don't see you getting more value after the season (even before the 5 team list kicks in).

Bonded · 03-23-2021, 12:57 PM

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I would suspect that there are a lot of teams with skilled guys that would be salivating over the prospect of a pest like Tkachuk.

Yeah, I misread that, thought it was faster more skilled players

Teroy · 03-23-2021, 12:59 PM

Sorry, I don't get the hate for Monahan. He's developed into a 200 foot centre. That's what he's supposed to be. He's playing with a winger who won't go to the corners. Another winger who has limited talent. Some of you think he should only make Gaudreau look good. Where the heck is Gaudreau in all of this? He's supposed to be our super star.
I hardly think Gaudreau will do any better on another team. Unless they have two wingers who will do all the work while he just floats around the ice. Getting rid of him will change the entire dynamic of the Flames. Move him while we can get something for him.

Stanley · 03-23-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Teroy

Sorry, I don't get the hate for Monahan. He's developed into a 200 foot centre. That's what he's supposed to be. He's playing with a winger who won't go to the corners. Another winger who has limited talent. Some of you think he should only make Gaudreau look good. Where the heck is Gaudreau in all of this? He's supposed to be our super star.
I hardly think Gaudreau will do any better on another team. Unless they have two wingers who will do all the work while he just floats around the ice. Getting rid of him will change the entire dynamic of the Flames. Move him while we can get something for him.

Agreed. I wish Tre would have somehow managed to pull a Bergevin (likley would have had to trade Gaudreau and Bennett) and gotten Anderson and Toffoli. A line of Anderson/Mony/Toffoli woudl have been quite ideal...

Anyhoo...coulda/shoulda/woulda...

dino7c · 03-23-2021, 01:09 PM

Gaudreau is a playmaker, not every star is a power forward who carries the team in his back. Play to guys strengths don't expect them to be something they are not.

GioforPM · 03-23-2021, 01:11 PM

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Gaudreau is a playmaker, not every star is a power forward who carries the team in his back. Play to guys strengths don't expect them to be something they are not.

I don’t think people want him to bang. But he used to skate through traffic. He’d steal pucks in the corners. His feet were always moving. He just looks timid and lazy now.

CliffFletcher · 03-23-2021, 01:17 PM

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Agreed. I wish Tre would have somehow managed to pull a Bergevin (likley would have had to trade Gaudreau and Bennett) and gotten Anderson and Toffoli. A line of Anderson/Mony/Toffoli woudl have been quite ideal...

Anyhoo...coulda/shoulda/woulda...

The Flames apparently were in on Anderson in the offseason. They’re also rumoured to have shopped Monahan around. Not a huge reach to surmise they proposed a deal with Monahan and Anderson as the centrepieces and Kekalainen liked the Habs offer better.

Classic_Sniper · 03-23-2021, 01:19 PM

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Gaudreau is a playmaker, not every star is a power forward who carries the team in his back. Play to guys strengths don't expect them to be something they are not.

Even Iggy, one of the best power forwards of his era and a 1st ballot Hall of Famer couldn’t carry the Flames on his back, what chance did Gaudreau have. This management group, much like many of the other previous Flames GMs couldn’t seem to see that you cannot build on the wing.

We’ve had the right wingers the whole time, but what we didn’t have were the right centers. Monahan, Lindholm and Backlund are just ok, maybe league average in the grand scheme of things and much like our placement in the standings have indicated, we were just ok, probably about league average. We topped out as a just a bubble playoff team or first round fodder.

Teroy · 03-23-2021, 01:24 PM

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Gaudreau is a playmaker, not every star is a power forward who carries the team in his back. Play to guys strengths don't expect them to be something they are not.

So it's o.k. to expect Monahan to carry the team on his back but not Gaudreau. He (Gaudreau) is a one trick pony. Time to move on. Get someone who works. Don't give me this playmaker bs. The only reason no one can catch up to him to make a play is because he's always half way to the opposition end while the rest of the team is trying to get control in our own zone. Monaha will be deep in our zone fighting for the puck but you expect him to catch up and make the play that makes Johnny look good. This love affair with Gaudreau is beyond belief.

dissentowner · 03-23-2021, 01:25 PM

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Gaudreau plays with a guy who does one thing well (not this year) and a PTO player

Gaudreau will go somewhere else and be a top scorer again IMO.

This. I will be happy for him too, between Eric Francis and this ungrateful fan base who could blame him for wanting out of here? Tkachuk will be the next good player the media and the fans will want to run out of town. Actually, that is already starting. I think half our fanbase is only happy when the team is struggling so they can bitch and complain.

dino7c · 03-23-2021, 01:29 PM

Gaudreau on the lowest scoring team in the division has 25 points in 33...just be careful what you wish. People think the team can't score now.

Drunk Uncle · 03-23-2021, 01:37 PM

I've seen it brought up a few times that we need to trade Gaudreau before his NTC kicks in with the idea we'll see a better return. That idea feels overblown to me.

"Player rental" returns are less than "Player under long term contract" returns and no GM in his right mind is paying a "Player under long term contract" price for Gaudreau without knowing first if they can re-sign him.

Now if it's Dim Jim or Cirelli I get where this is coming from but I think the NTC has essentially already kicked in whether official or not.

CSharp · 03-23-2021, 01:39 PM

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I don’t think people want him to bang. But he used to skate through traffic. He’d steal pucks in the corners. His feet were always moving. He just looks timid and lazy now.

I don't think Gaudreau is lazy - very timid and afraid to get hit. I think he has a phobia going into the end boards because he's afraid of getting crushed. It's like from the injuries to his hand. After he came back from that injury, it's like he's a changed player.

GioforPM · 03-23-2021, 01:41 PM

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I don't think Gaudreau is lazy - very timid and afraid to get hit. I think he has a phobia going into the end boards because he's afraid of getting crushed. It's like from the injuries to his hand. After he came back from that injury, it's like he's a changed player.

He was quite good right afterwards, wearing extra armor. I always thought he should have kept those gloves. They didn't seem to hinder him in any way.

Lazy may be overstated, but he's certainly prone to taking the easy way out.

powderjunkie · 03-23-2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

The curious thing is the 5 team trade list he will have after this year.

If he really wants to go to Philly, he can easily make that happen by using the trade list to get there - and you get an even worse return.

I think if you plan to trade gaudreau you have to do it before the deadline this year. I just don't see you getting more value after the season (even before the 5 team list kicks in).

I still wonder if PHI really wants him, though? There are a lot of potential big fish in 2022.

I also have to think Johnny has seen what's happened with Taylor Hall and be a bit worried about going all the way to UFA (again, potentially competing with several big-huge fish).

I don't think we should re-sign him, but I think it's conceivable that we see an extend+trade scenario if the tea leaves show a limited number of suitors (NJ?). The return will still be underwhelming.

ED-UFA time will be fascinating this year.

SportsJunky · 03-23-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Teroy

Sorry, I don't get the hate for Monahan. He's developed into a 200 foot centre.

Has he though? I mean do the stats show that? I keep hearing this but I haven't seen much to back it up. I know his FOW% is way down this year. I'm not sure where his possession metrics are this year.

GioforPM · 03-23-2021, 01:55 PM

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Has he though? I mean do the stats show that? I keep hearing this but I haven't seen much to back it up. I know his FOW% is way down this year. I'm not sure where his possession metrics are this year.

I don 't think the numbers since Sutter are in his favour at all. But he's been given a lot of D zone starts and Sutter's decided to put him on PK.

dissentowner · 03-23-2021, 01:55 PM

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Has he though? I mean do the stats show that? I keep hearing this but I haven't seen much to back it up. I know his FOW% is way down this year. I'm not sure where his possession metrics are this year.

The stats certainly do not show that at all, especially since Sutter took over. The team bleeds goals with Monahan on the ice.

Teroy · 03-23-2021, 01:55 PM

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Has he though? I mean do the stats show that? I keep hearing this but I haven't seen much to back it up. I know his FOW% is way down this year. I'm not sure where his possession metrics are this year.

You need to watch him in our zone. And while you're at it, watch Gaudreau if you can see him in the picture.

Teroy · 03-23-2021, 01:59 PM

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The stats certainly do not show that at all, especially since Sutter took over. The team bleeds goals with Monahan on the ice.

I guess he was there all by himself! Or was Gaudreau with him?