03-09-2021, 12:16 PM
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#41
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I'm very interested and hopeful that Sutter will have an impact, but lets not assume that the team was playing as Geoff Ward was directing.
Don't think a modern NHL coach would ask his team to play slow, to turn pucks over in low percentage risk situations, or to pinch without support for example.
They may not have been scared enough of the guy to be on their toes, which makes the group weak, and a stronger hand needed, but Ward wasn't necessarily the whole problem.
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03-09-2021, 12:18 PM
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#42
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne
@EricFrancis
“He stressed there’s not going to be a crazy changes in the way we’re playing. He said… the system is correct but the style we need to fix.” - Matthew Tkachuk on Darryl Sutter's early approach.
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Well that has to rattle a bunch of people.
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03-09-2021, 12:18 PM
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#43
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne
@EricFrancis
“He stressed there’s not going to be a crazy changes in the way we’re playing. He said… the system is correct but the style we need to fix.” - Matthew Tkachuk on Darryl Sutter's early approach.
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But I thought the system was the problem?
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03-09-2021, 12:19 PM
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#44
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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^^ Nope, just part of it. Its very apparent there is a lot to fix and maybe (probably) too much to accomplish in half a shortened season. Still excited to see what he can correct and who responds and how.
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03-09-2021, 12:22 PM
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#46
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Draft Pick
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I wish they made the change when most people knew it was needed, at least a month ago. I figure they will need to win 2/3s of the remaining games to get in the playoffs. Here's hoping!
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03-09-2021, 12:24 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
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You can say the system is right, but if you also say the style isn't, that makes you fundamentally question how much the system will change.
If the Flames are quicker to reset and get the pick up the ice, or closing gaps quicker in the neutral zone, that is a fundamental change.
I don't think we're ready for 'I told you so' just yet.
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03-09-2021, 12:24 PM
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#48
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky-Dave
I wish they made the change when most people knew it was needed, at least a month ago. I figure they will need to win 2/3s of the remaining games to get in the playoffs. Here's hoping!
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At least they did it. Not like when it was brutally clear that Gulutzan was useless and let him run out the entire season.
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03-09-2021, 12:24 PM
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#49
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#1 Goaltender
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Sutter is so analytical and I love it
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03-09-2021, 12:26 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I'm very interested and hopeful that Sutter will have an impact, but lets not assume that the team was playing as Geoff Ward was directing.
Don't think a modern NHL coach would ask his team to play slow, to turn pucks over in low percentage risk situations, or to pinch without support for example.
They may not have been scared enough of the guy to be on their toes, which makes the group weak, and a stronger hand needed, but Ward wasn't necessarily the whole problem.
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I agree. Ward was a problem. The players are a problem. Ward wasn't going to fix the problem with the players. Sutter can fix many of the problems on the ice and the GM can make changes to the problems that won't be solved here.
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03-09-2021, 12:27 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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People put way too much emphasis on systems.
Darryl Sutter is not effective everywhere he goes because of a system.
Systems are what coaches who don’t know what they’re doing use to confuse the public into thinking they’re up to the job.
See Gulutzan, Glen.
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03-09-2021, 12:27 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by agulati
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Is Darryl our CP's Dad who left for smokes 15 years ago and now he's back?
Sure feels like it and it feels good to have Dad back 
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03-09-2021, 12:28 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Gaskal
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This has been the Flames for a long time. Not stepping towards a puck and waiting for it to come to them, not closing gaps to opposition players... I don't know if there is any support for puck carriers leaving the zone, because that kind of play has not happened this year.
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03-09-2021, 12:28 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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As for the lines, remember he likes to use pairs. I don’t think he’ll split up 13-23
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03-09-2021, 12:31 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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lol, Francis is such a clown in these media availabilities
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03-09-2021, 12:33 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gilligans_off
As for the lines, remember he likes to use pairs. I don’t think he’ll split up 13-23
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Why not?
Why has Lindholm been given every chance to play centre oath Tkachuk but not Gaudreau?
Why has Backlund never seen significant time with Johnny?
I think Tkachuk would help Monahan a ton. Monahan isn’t a product of Gaudreau, but he does defer to him way too often.
Nothing is off the table right now.
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03-09-2021, 12:35 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I'm very interested and hopeful that Sutter will have an impact, but lets not assume that the team was playing as Geoff Ward was directing.
Don't think a modern NHL coach would ask his team to play slow, to turn pucks over in low percentage risk situations, or to pinch without support for example.
They may not have been scared enough of the guy to be on their toes, which makes the group weak, and a stronger hand needed, but Ward wasn't necessarily the whole problem.
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So in other words it was in fact a coaching issue. Motivating the team is probably the most important part of the job today dealing with millionaire players. No need to sugar coat things as Ward was a nice guy but a horrible NHL head coach that couldn't last a full season before being fired. It is what it is.
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03-09-2021, 12:37 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
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I was surprised to see Lindholm with Gaudreau in OT against the Senators.
I think that needs a further look. Will not be surprised if it is tried out by Sutter at some point, especially since Lindholm does fit the mould of a two way player.
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03-09-2021, 12:38 PM
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#59
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Olympic Guru
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: PL1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by btimbit
lol, Francis is such a clown in these media availabilities
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03-09-2021, 12:38 PM
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#60
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Why not?
Why has Lindholm been given every chance to play centre oath Tkachuk but not Gaudreau?
Why has Backlund never seen significant time with Johnny?
I think Tkachuk would help Monahan a ton. Monahan isn’t a product of Gaudreau, but he does defer to him way too often.
Nothing is off the table right now.
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Tkachuk and Monahan as a pair may not be fast enough.
Having two "slower" players on the same line may not be the best idea.
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