This team needs a star centre and we have the pieces to get one.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Which team is trading a ‘real 1C’ for Monahan plus ‘something’?

Exactly it isn't happening. The best move the Flames can make probably isn't going to help this year. They need to take advantage of a team that is all in on a cup and doesn't care about the future

Too many people on here wanna make that trade that doesn't exist to win the cup this year like the other team purpose is the set up the Flames for a cup run

Only way we get way better this year is to sell the farm in prospects and draft picks. But nobody wants to do that because it more than likely will set us up for a very short term run because of cap issues

Has to be the other way imo

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The key is to find the next Zibanajed.
When he was acquired by the Rangers he was a 20 goal 50 point centre, but a good two-way one.
So the cost was reasonable (Zib + 2nd round pick for Braassard and 7th round pick).

In other words, Elias Lindholm. Finding a player who has unearthed potential as a 1, or even a 2, C is a road the Flames have already gone down, and have been successful at it I would say.

Zabanajed put up a monster year last year, but I’d like to see it at least once more before we start talking about him as a legitimate No.1C. His year last year seems very similar to Sean Monahan for the first 2/3rds of 2018/19.

I’m not convinced Zabanajed is in the upper echelon and the early returns this year seem to support that.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Which team is trading a ‘real 1C’ for Monahan plus ‘something’?

More likely would be Monahan for a yet to break out 1C but that’s a gamble and a delayed payoff if it pays off

[flylock shox]

I'm not sure the Flames even need a star center (though that would be optimal). I think they could go a long way with just a dominant forward at any position. I wouldn't turn my nose up at an Ovechkin or Kucherov level winger either. Basically anyone who is a forceful offensive threat each and every shift, and who can allow the Flames other players to take on more of a supporting role in driving offence.


Even opening up the conversation to include wingers, there's still only a small handful of plausible candidates though.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by edslunch

More likely would be Monahan for a yet to break out 1C but that’s a gamble and a delayed payoff if it pays off

Yeah, I suppose Ryan Suzuki would be an example.

[Hackey]

The Flames will need some major luck, otherwise the team is just going to slowly fade out before it ever gets elite. That is the trajectory right now unless something drastic happens. It's likely going to be the Iginla era all over again as Johnny leaves, Tkachuk wants big money, Gio retires, Markstrom is no longer elite, etc. I really hope I'm wrong but realistically that's the path I see them on.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by cral12

Someone mentioned Point...
The 2011 & 2014 drafts still drive me bonkers. Lightning Vs Flames. 2011: we pick Tyler Wotherspoon 57th, Lightning Kucherov 58th - of course many teams missed Kucherov, but he was undeniably skilled and worth the risk at that point. 2014: 2 x 2nd rnders and a 3rd rnder and we skipped hometown kid Braydon Point all 3 effen times. How different would this team look with those two..Even Point alone...

The Lightning missed him also, as they did Point.

If the Lightning really knew what they had with those players, they won’t have passed the first time.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Zibanejad was off the charts last season.

He was on pace for almost 60 goals (including a 5 goal game) and 100+ points before the season ended prematurely.

If that player emerged, then he would be head and shoulders above any of our current centers. He also has a bit of an edge to his game.

Given his start this season, it would be a bit of a risk, but I would not be against a lateral move at this point to shake things up. Plus, we seem to have had good luck with Swedes lately.

Zib had COVID, and is slowing rounding into shape. He’s not available.


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[1qqaaz]

Plus, most of that team is struggling. Practically everyone except Panarin and Fox. Pavel Buchnevich is second in points, and he only has 8 points.

[NewFan]

I think we can't afford or don't have asset to trade for a star C. But I think we need 2a 2b C that can drive and skate with the puck and who can creat space for Johnny and Monahan. Problem is Monahan can,t play as a winger. I hope Dube develop as top 6 C for us.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think we can't afford or don't have asset to trade for a star C. But I think we need 2a 2b C that can drive and skate with the puck and who can creat space for Johnny and Monahan. Problem is Monahan can,t play as a winger. I hope Dube develop as top 6 C for us.

Let’s say you have Dube and Gaudreau with Monahan. You have 2 guys who can carry and 3 guys who can pass (I actually think Monahan is underrated as a puck distributor), 3 guys who can shoot now that Johnny is shooting, and Dube has wheels and grit.

[Macho0978]

I'm not against trading Monahan but I just don't see the return being that great. Why trade a 27 good center and keep a 32 year old good center in backlund. I'd be ok to trade backlund for a late first or 2nd a decent prospect.

Same goes for Gio. If the Flames sell at the deadline he may ask to be moved. I'd move him for picks or prospects too.

Moving these 2 for picks and prospects changes alot of this franchise. We don't need to trade for a elite player if we draft 1. If we move those 2 we are probably going to get a top 8 pick and a good crack at top 3 in the lottery. This also fixes any cap issues and any expansion draft issues. Depending on guys like Bennett hanifin and valimski we may not miss gio and backlund as much as we think. We aren't trading Norris gio we would be trading 37 year old gio. Hes still good but he isn't the difference maker he once was. Why not trade these 2 and see how it goes?

I said this when the Flames traded iggy and Jay bo and kipper retired. Lots said this is going to be a painful rebuild we just lost iggy kipper and Jay bo. I said Jay bo is overrated and iggy and kipper aren't 2004 iggy and kipper. They aren't as good as they once were. We might not miss them that much. 1 bad year Flames were back in playoffs. I feel like the same could be said about gio and backlund now. Still good but at least with gio he's nowhere near his prime

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Which team is trading a ‘real 1C’ for Monahan plus ‘something’?

Likely no one.

Which is why I said right after that you make Lindholm #1 and move Monahan for a RW, which is much more plausible and still makes the roster better overall.

Monahan has been a good Flame, but he's the obvious quality piece to move if you're wanting quality back.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'm not against trading Monahan but I just don't see the return being that great. Why trade a 27 good center and keep a 32 year old good center in backlund.

2 reasons:

1) Monahan gets you a much better return
2) Backlund's role within the team is more important to keep with his 200 ft game and shutdown abilities

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

2 reasons:

1) Monahan gets you a much better return
2) Backlund's role within the team is more important to keep with his 200 ft game and shutdown abilities

Backlund role is important but is he going to be in that role forever. He's still good but if this team moves Monahan they aren't getting better this year. Why sell and move forward with 33 or 34 year old backlund?

Gio too. Hes 37 but next year he's 38. Its downhill from here for both

Monahan might need to go too but you can be patient with him as he is just entering his prime. Unless you get a unreal offer but like I said too many posters on here are discussing deals that are a pipe dream. We aren't trading Monahan where we get a proven young elite center that has a good cap hit. It isn't happening so let's move on to realistic trade ideas and options

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Let’s say you have Dube and Gaudreau with Monahan. You have 2 guys who can carry and 3 guys who can pass (I actually think Monahan is underrated as a puck distributor), 3 guys who can shoot now that Johnny is shooting, and Dube has wheels and grit.

I think I’d prefer :
Gaudreau Lindholm Dube
Tkachuk Monahan Bennett

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I think I’d prefer :
Gaudreau Lindholm Dube
Tkachuk Monahan Bennett

Yes, though the Monahan line is decidedly slower and worse at D.

[Rick M.]

Let’s just go to the #1 centre store and put one in the cart.

[Roof-Daddy]

Anybody seen what Trochek is doing in Carolina these days? Just over a point per game, tied for the lead in points, on pace for 30 goals and 60 points in 56 games, leading all Cane forwards in ice time. I doubt he keeps that pace all season, but he certainly seems rejuvenated from his change of scenery.

Right shot
Top 6 forward
Prime age
Plays C or W
Good two way player
Traded for peanuts

....but not to the Flames. Couldn't out bid that #### package the Canes gave up I guess?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Anybody seen what Trochek is doing in Carolina these days? Just over a point per game, tied for the lead in points, on pace for 30 goals and 60 points in 56 games, leading all Cane forwards in ice time. I doubt he keeps that pace all season, but he certainly seems rejuvenated from his change of scenery.

Right shot
Top 6 forward
Prime age
Plays C or W
Good two way player
Traded for peanuts

....but not to the Flames. Couldn't out bid that #### package the Canes gave up I guess?

Sliding scale.

I suspect the Flames already knew they were going to move lindholm to C this year. As it stands, they already have a surplus of C’s. if Trocheck is added at the deadline, is Markstrom a Flame?

The Flames had a plan and evidently adding a 2C wasn’t a part of it.