These guys will be caught, it's only a matter of time.
They really should do themselves a favour and turn themselves in.
RIP Sgt. Harnett and my deepest sympathy to your family. such a horrible, senseless death.
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News reports are saying that the officer was hit by two cars. First he was hit and dragged by the suspect vehicle and then he was supposedly hit by a second vehicle which remained at the scene. If true, does the Crown's job of proving first degree murder become much more difficult? It is possible that the officer was significantly injured by the suspect vehicle but suffered life threating injuries from the second collision.
Don't know if it matters does it. The actions of the first caused the situation that killed the officer. If he was dragged, then the two punks carried out an action that feels intentional.
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Don't know if it matters does it. The actions of the first caused the situation that killed the officer. If he was dragged, then the two punks carried out an action that feels intentional.
Intent is not what makes a murder first degree. Intent is not premeditation. This is first degree because it's a cop, not because it was premeditated.
Why are people unable to grasp the difference between intending to act and pre-planning to act?
Intent isn't what makes a murder first degree or second degree, but it is what makes a culpable homicide murder (depending on the facts at hand). The main issue there is the word "caused" in the criminal code definition of murder, and how that test works in this context. Not being a criminal lawyer I couldn't tell you, without doing some research. Perhaps one of the resident criminal lawyers could.
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The tragedies that family endured is heartbreaking.
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Don't know if it matters does it. The actions of the first caused the situation that killed the officer. If he was dragged, then the two punks carried out an action that feels intentional.
From a legal stand point that is what I am wondering about? If there is a single incident that causes death it is easy to show cause and effect and criminality. With two events that cause harm and potentially death does it become more difficult to criminally charge someone with death? Is it enough to charge someone with murder if their initial action causes a subsequent action which actually causes the death? Should both parties be charged with murder? Why would the second party not be charged if they are potentially responsible in the death as a secondary action?
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Perhaps it is the nature of their jobs, as has been mentioned.
Perhaps that not holding the safety and life of those entrusted with public safety and laws highly will slowly lead to a decay of those laws and published safety.
Perhaps, it is because we hold officers to the highest standards, and expect them to be without legal fault.
Also, this really isn’t the thread to discuss this, certainly a discussion worth having, but separate of this thread.
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It's interesting that they say there were other officers either close to or at the scene when it happened. Surprised the perpetrators were able to get away in those circumstances.
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I grew up in Calgary and that officers death while senseless and awful, really banded the city together. I know that name instantly even to this day. It got HAWCS in the air.
Just wanted to let you know to take some soliace in that fact. He died protecting Calgary, and his legacy lives on a generation later helping keep us safe.
Hope this officer has the same legacy.
RIP
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Well, I'm offended by our two tear justice system I guess.
Sorry to derail the thread.
I do not hate to be this guy, and would have really liked to see you come away enlightened.
You clearly were unaware of the law, and people here educated you by posting it.
Also a lot of people here followed up with some statements adding context, and there was a lot of thanks for their contributions.
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This was a senseless tragedy. My condolences to the family, loved ones and colleagues of the officer
I think it was a pretty reasonable question... there are plenty of people who wouldn't know about that quirk of the criminal justice system. In fact, though the Chief didn't answer it directly, one of the reporters in the press conference in that youtube video apparently didn't know about it either as he asked whether there had been any discussion about motive given the first degree charge.
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