[News] Caps fire Head Coach Todd Reirden. UPD: Pens hire Reirden as an assistant coach

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I have a strong feeling that Boudreau is coming here. Just a gut instinct.

I hope so. The man gets results in the regular season and making the playoffs every season is half the battle when it comes to winning a cup because even the elite teams don't have playoff success on an annual basis.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I hope so. The man gets results in the regular season and making the playoffs every season is half the battle when it comes to winning a cup because even the elite teams don't have playoff success on an annual basis.

And at least Boudreau usually gets past the first round. At least with Washington and Anaheim that is. The Minnesota teams were lucky to make the playoffs.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by 868904

Yup, Flames just lost another crack at a top coach.

I honestly think Darryl is the best we can get (as an elite coach who would actually want to be here) and we probably won’t because Tre insists on talking to his coach everyday and having his pulse on the team.

I doubt Darryl will take Tre’s call everyday.

Why would you doubt this?
Darryl and Ken talked after every game, so I don’t see why Darryl and Tree wouldn’t.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Wood

I really don't think the poor coach hirings have been Trelivings fault

It's pretty clear there's been a mandate from higher ups to cheap out on the coaches, and it's gone about as expected

It's time the Flames go all in on an experienced coach and I guarantee Treliving feels the same way

Is it really? How much do the coaches make? You paying what, $80M annually on a hockey team that under performs due to weak coaching. How much would a top tier coach (and staff) costs, that could possibly bring in multiple seasons of +4 postseason home games?

The cost for coaching is primarily peanuts compared to a full roster, and Calgary is not a franchise that's strapped for cash in it's market. This narrative makes no sense to me whatsoever. It's completely made up with no basis I feel like to try to give reason why Flames generally haven't gone after top tier coaches.

The logical answer to me, is that the franchise simply just hasn't had desires for top tier coaches. And the other argument of coaches not wanting to coach here because of the location doesn't make sense either. With only 31 positions available, if a head coach is not going to be overly picky if the roster and the organization itself shows promise if they want a job where they're expected to yield contending results. If Winnipeg Jets can get Paul Maurice, then Flames could get anyone else they want for the most part if they're willing to pay for it. And look at the coaches who have been willing to go up to Edmonton lately.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I hope so. The man gets results in the regular season and making the playoffs every season is half the battle when it comes to winning a cup because even the elite teams don't have playoff success on an annual basis.

And during those Capitals years, had to deal with the Penguins roadblock.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by 3thirty

Any coach available now prefers that job to Calgary if/when we actually look for a coach.

I don’t think anyone who’s anyone is particularly hot and bothered to jump on the Dodge Journey of NHL coaching positions.

What’s Hartley up to?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by 868904

Yup, Flames just lost another crack at a top coach.

I honestly think Darryl is the best we can get (as an elite coach who would actually want to be here) and we probably won’t because Tre insists on talking to his coach everyday and having his pulse on the team.

I doubt Darryl will take Tre’s call everyday.

Darryl will take Brad’s call at 3am. He won’t say much to the media but to others he’s as stand-up a guy as a guy can be.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

And at least Boudreau usually gets past the first round. At least with Washington and Anaheim that is...

Mmmmmmm. That is debatable. In ten years split between Washington and Anaheim Boudreau's teams advanced past the first round a total of four times.

Has he done it? Yes. Has he "usually" done it? Not really.

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What’s Hartley up to?

Killing it in Russia.

Hartley gets too much hate around here IMO. He has won a championship in every league he has coached in (QMJHL, AHL, NHL, Swiss League), with the expectation of the KHL, where he just made the finals in his first year (playoffs cancelled this year, but the team was a favourite again).

I don't think he deserves the lack of respect he gets.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Mmmmmmm. That is debatable. In ten years split between Washington and Anaheim Boudreau's teams advanced past the first round a total of four times.

Has he done it? Yes. Has he "usually done it? Not really.

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Are there many coaches that get to the second round at a better rate in the same time frame? Genuinely wondering if anyone knows

[Wood]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Killing it in Russia.

Hartley gets too much hate around here IMO. He has won a championship in every league he has coached in (QMJHL, AHL, NHL, Swiss League), with the expectation of the KHL, where he just made the finals in his first year (playoffs cancelled this year, but the team was a favourite again).

I don't think he deserves the lack of respect he gets.

There's a reason he's not coaching in the NHL, and won't ever again IMO

You can't treat people the way Hartley did and expect to get any more chances

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Wood

Are there many coaches that get to the second round at a better rate in the same time frame? Genuinely wondering if anyone knows

I doubt it, but that is not my point. This happens with every disappointment in sports as records and statistics become exaggerated in both directions. I think Boudreau is a good coach and I would welcome him in Calgary. But he is probably not as good as many who are pining for him believe him to be.

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[GullFoss]

Babcock to the Capitals

[Toonage]

I would be thrilled with Babs to the Caps. Leaves all the competent coaches available if Calgary ever comes to their senses.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Wood

There's a reason he's not coaching in the NHL, and won't ever again IMO

You can't treat people the way Hartley did and expect to get any more chances

He coached 12 full seasons in the NHL with only 3 different teams. Averaging 4 years per team is longevity most head coaches would love to have. If he was really that bad, he wouldn't have lasted that long. He holds the franchise records for most games coached for 2 of those franchises, and is second place on the other.

He probably won't coach in the NHL again, but I also don't think he is the type of person to go begging for jobs. Has he even tried to get another NHL position? He was pretty happy to stay in Switzerland before Feaster had to coax him back to try and save is own butt.

Really, what did Hartley do that was so bad, compared to other coaches?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

He coached 12 full seasons in the NHL with only 3 different teams. Averaging 4 years per team is longevity most head coaches would love to have. If he was really that bad, he wouldn't have lasted that long. He holds the franchise records for most games coached for 2 of those franchises, and is second place on the other.

He probably won't coach in the NHL again, but I also don't think he is the type of person to go begging for jobs. Has he even tried to get another NHL position? He was pretty happy to stay in Switzerland before Feaster had to coax him back to try and save is own butt.

How would we know one way or the other? To your mind what does it look like when a coach campaigns to return to the NHL?

Really, what did Hartley do that was so bad, compared to other coaches?

That right there IS the problem.

Hartley's NHL tenure was characterised by a reputation for abuse within a culture that for decades tolerated and even encouraged egregious types of abuse. Think about that for a minute. Given how tepid the appetite is to see him return to the NHL, I suspect that while the stories about Hartley are not exceptional compared to those of his peers from another era, there is probably a lot more that the general public will never know, but has soured enough current NHL people on Bob Hartley.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

He coached 12 full seasons in the NHL with only 3 different teams. Averaging 4 years per team is longevity most head coaches would love to have. If he was really that bad, he wouldn't have lasted that long. He holds the franchise records for most games coached for 2 of those franchises, and is second place on the other.

He probably won't coach in the NHL again, but I also don't think he is the type of person to go begging for jobs. Has he even tried to get another NHL position? He was pretty happy to stay in Switzerland before Feaster had to coax him back to try and save is own butt.

Really, what did Hartley do that was so bad, compared to other coaches?

He was mean to the players. Allegedly.

[Ashasx]

Hartley was more than just mean to players. In a world where we place so much emphasis on good mental health, Hartley no longer belongs in the NHL.

[FlamesAddiction]

Examples?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Hartley was more than just mean to players. In a world where we place so much emphasis on good mental health, Hartley no longer belongs in the NHL.

Mean is a broad term.