TSN naming all-time teams for each Canadian city..Flames are up!

[Corral]

This exercise plus bingos jersey series plus watching the 89 Stanley cup series on SN has really brought back fond memories of the late 1980s early 1990s roster. I miss watching and cheering for them. Really happy to see the 4th line checking group on this list.

Plus I had forgotten just how good Vernon was in the 89 run. And fleury was really used a lot in key moments by crispy. Shows just how good he was considering all the talent on that team.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I actually really like the way that TSN is doing this with a checking line and a defensive line.

I don't think TSN is saying both a defensive and a checking forward line? the Habs 3rd line is Moore-Morenz-Geoffrion for example


there is one 4th line that is meant to be defensive stalwarts


anyways it would be hard to picture a Flames team that includes Conroy (love the guy), Hunter and Peplinski over Mullen, Loob and Nilsson. checking line- fine- but sorry Conroy no foundational player for you!

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Corral

This exercise plus bingos jersey series plus watching the 89 Stanley cup series on SN has really brought back fond memories of the late 1980s early 1990s roster. I miss watching and cheering for them. Really happy to see the 4th line checking group on this list.

Plus I had forgotten just how good Vernon was in the 89 run. And fleury was really used a lot in key moments by crispy. Shows just how good he was considering all the talent on that team.

Vernon was crazy good from 86 through 90 before his back got hurt. However, the first 3 games of that 89 Finals, I think Roy was frickin amazing and outperformed Vernon. I always though Roy was more of a butterfly goalie (which he was later), but both goalies stood up with skinny pads and skimpy upper protection back then. I watched Vernon in the 88 Flames/Oilers series and holy crap, Vernon was standing on his head making countless saves off of that all-star Oilers team.

Fleury was amazing after re-watching that first 3 games of the 89 Finals. He's basically used in 3 positions: Right/Left wing, Center, Point guard on powerplays. The only other player I've seen doing that was Iggy. And being smaller than any players, he went into the dirty areas.

[getbak]

It's funny how this team has been so dominated by RWs for most of its history, now they can't find one to save their lives.


Using TSN's criteria, here's my team...

Roberts - Nieuwendyk - Iginla (C)
Gaudreau - Gilmour - Mullen
Tkachuk - Monahan - Loob
Patterson - Otto - Fleury

Suter - MacInnis
Giordano (A) - Reinhart
Regehr (A) - Macoun

Kiprusoff
Vernon

Foundation: Lanny

Coach: Bob Johnson
GM: Cliff Fletcher
Team President: Ken King

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I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that TSN picked Crisp as their coach because of the Cup, but for me, it's between Sutter and Johnson, with Badger Bob just ahead of Darryl.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ I was going to say full marks on this but I didn’t notice Kent Nilsson missing

[getbak]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ I was going to say full marks on this but I didn’t notice Kent Nilsson missing

Yeah, he was a tough call. He should probably be there, but personal preference makes him a cut.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The whole 4th line could go. I would have Makarov, Plett, Chouinard, Mike Bullard and LOOB over all 3 of them. And definitely Reinhart over Phanuef. It is like TSN didn't even know some of the early players for the Flames.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

The whole 4th line could go. I would have Makarov, Plett, Chouinard, Mike Bullard and LOOB over all 3 of them. .

fair enough although the exercise does say there should be a checking line. I think Otto in particular is easy to defend over most of those guys regardless based on Calgary tenure- IMO!

[looooob]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's funny how this team has been so dominated by RWs for most of its history, now they can't find one to save their lives.


Using TSN's criteria, here's my team...

Roberts - Nieuwendyk - Iginla (C)
Gaudreau - Gilmour - Mullen
Tkachuk - Monahan - Loob
Patterson - Otto - Fleury

Suter - MacInnis
Giordano (A) - Reinhart
Regehr (A) - Macoun

Kiprusoff
Vernon

Foundation: Lanny

Coach: Bob Johnson
GM: Cliff Fletcher
Team President: Ken King

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I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that TSN picked Crisp as their coach because of the Cup, but for me, it's between Sutter and Johnson, with Badger Bob just ahead of Darryl.

don't mind your team- the leadership (letter) group is interesting- all 04 and later

[getbak]

Originally Posted by looooob

don't mind your team- the leadership (letter) group is interesting- all 04 and later

Yeah, that's mostly because I didn't want them on the same line, otherwise I would have given one of the A's to Nieuwendyk, and possibly Roberts too.

A lot of the older players didn't have letters with the team because they overlapped with Lanny/Pepper. For some reason, I didn't think MacInnis ever wore a letter, but I just checked some photos and he had an A on when they won the Cup.

My brain completely skipped over Fleury when I was looking. On second thought, I'd probably give him the second A instead of Regehr (or maybe a rotating A between Fleury, Regehr, MacInnis, and Nieuwendyk).


Iggy and Gio are the two longest-serving captains of the team (10 and 7 years respectively), so I have no problem with them having permanent letters. Iggy, Gio, and Reg are the three longest-serving Flames as well.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I agree. The biggest argument in favour of Kiprusoff is that he took an average team to the Stanley Cup Finals. Except, Vernon did too (1986 Flames had 89 points) and they knocked off the "unbeatable" Oilers along the way.

A Vezina and a modern day GAA record, too.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by looooob

I don't think TSN is saying both a defensive and a checking forward line? the Habs 3rd line is Moore-Morenz-Geoffrion for example


there is one 4th line that is meant to be defensive stalwarts


anyways it would be hard to picture a Flames team that includes Conroy (love the guy), Hunter and Peplinski over Mullen, Loob and Nilsson. checking line- fine- but sorry Conroy no foundational player for you!

Right you are.

I would say that Conroy means more to the fabric of the team than any of the players you listed. That is what I took to mean by foundational player. He helped define the Flames for the better part of 20 years.

Nilsson, Mullen, and Loob really don't have that same impact to me at least and I would want McDonald actually on the team in the lineup.

The Hunter selection was more to do with his role on the team and not for his actual play.

I guess Nilsson could take the role of Monahan but I look at how he performed with Gaudreau and that factored into my placement on the team. Essentially making something that was more than the sum of its parts.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Phaneuf? Seriously?

I mean if it's pre-2010 Phaneuf then hell yeah!

[FireGilbert]

Why do all time teams need a checking line? Real teams have a checking line because they lack depth. Putting Patterson on an all time Flames team is like that time Rob Zamuner made Team Canada.

[GreenLantern2814]

Didn’t Sergei Makarov play for this team?

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Why do all time teams need a checking line? Real teams have a checking line because they lack depth. Putting Patterson on an all time Flames team is like that time Rob Zamuner made Team Canada.

I think, too, if Patterson is on the team your "checking line" is Patterson - Gilmour - Mullen.

[David Struch]

Roberts - Nieuwendyk - Fleury
Mullen - Glimour - Iginla
Loob - Nilsson - Makarov
Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
Otto - McDonald

Suter - MacInnis
Regehr - Giordano
Reinhart - McCrimmon
Macoun

Vernon
Kiprusoff

[Harry Lime]

This team has had the grit plus ability with a number of their players. Tkachuk and Fleury could both be on that checking line. It's not their fault that they score so much, and it allows both Loob and Makarov to be added.

I agree with everyone on Reinhart in for Phaneuf.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

The whole 4th line could go. I would have Makarov, Plett, Chouinard, Mike Bullard and LOOB over all 3 of them. And definitely Reinhart over Phanuef. It is like TSN didn't even know some of the early players for the Flames.

Based on the criteria TSN set out, that fourth really has to stay. Makarov and Loob certainly are not guys you think of as defensive, checking line forwards.

Loob would certainly be there if not for that fourth line requirement, but it's not hard to argue his omission under the circumstances. He is most definitely not ahead of Iginla or Fleury and the debate between him and Mullen is really that of a guy you could count on to score 30 against a guy you could count on to score 40. I'd have to take Mullen as well.

The only clear mistake is the one that has been called out - Phaneuf over Reinhart or Macoun.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by getbak

A lot of the older players didn't have letters with the team because they overlapped with Lanny/Pepper. For some reason, I didn't think MacInnis ever wore a letter, but I just checked some photos and he had an A on when they won the Cup.

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indeed he did as that night two of the lettermen were watching the game in their jammies