[News] Talbot: I want to be a starter

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I agree about Markstrom...he was the best goalie in the NHL this season IMO. Worst case you push the price up on Vancouver.

He’s been the sole reason Vancouver is in the playoff hunt. Their MVP and In my opinion a Hart candidate.

I’d definitely take a run at him and trade Rittich if we need the cap space. I could see Rittich having some value, after all he was an all-star.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MrMike

He’s been the sole reason Vancouver is in the playoff hunt. Their MVP and In my opinion a Hart candidate.



I’d definitely take a run at him and trade Rittich if we need the cap space. I could see Rittich having some value, after all he was an all-star.

I could see Rittich becoming similarly as good and consistent as Markstrom is now when he reaches the same age in a couple years.

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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I think we had better goaltending last year other than Smith and his awful goal per game in the first half of the season. But me remembering this is probably because our offence was much more high powered and weren’t relying on it as much as this season.

A lot of 5-3, 6-4 type games last season.

We weren't stingy, we had pretty elite scoring though.

Smith was worse than either goalie this season last year in the regular season. Then he had 4 or so great games in the playoffs.

Rittich had top 10 starter first halves in both seasons. First 30 or 35 games very solid. Dropped off fairly steeply in both years. I think the main dropoff was in low to medium danger shot saves. Many more gaffes.

The difference in Rittich's physical composure from first to second half of very evident too. I found in both declines it was because he was moving too much and being over-active which was opening up holes. He was minimal and efficient in his movements early on, with consistently good positioning to help that.

Talbot really picked up steam in the second half. I feel like he would've gotten on a roll and been the playoff defacto starter and helped their cause. He like Rittich depends highly on confidence. We've seen both sides of that coin from him in Edmonton.

[David Struch]

I'd still take Frederik Andersen or Marc-Andre Fleury over anything in the Flames system.

[TheScorpion]

^ No kidding. Bishop too.

This is why I think it makes a ton of sense to take a big swing at Lehner. He might be able to help a guy like Parsons along, too.

[AC]

Originally Posted by David Struch

I'd still take Frederik Andersen or Marc-Andre Fleury over anything in the Flames system.

Including over Tkachuk?

As the #6 pick was the rumoured cost to acquire either Fleury or Andersen.

[Sandman]

I've always considered Markstrom kind of just OK. He looked fantastic this year, but his stats are kind of mediocre every other year. I don't think he's that far ahead of BSD, he wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

[dissentowner]

The problem with Markstrom and why he has not come to terms with Vancouver is he wants a long term deal. I don't like that idea, I want to see more than one good year from the guy. I am fine with the same tandem coming back but if Talbot leaves I would rather go after Halak. He is 34 so you could give him a 1 or 2 year deal and that gives Ritter another chance to show more consistency and to evaluate him more while adding a vet goalie that has put up excellent numbers throughout his career. In two years Parsons or maybe even Wolf will be ready to take the reigns hopefully if Ritter doesn't pan out.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I've always considered Markstrom kind of just OK. He looked fantastic this year, but his stats are kind of mediocre every other year. I don't think he's that far ahead of BSD, he wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

Markstrom has experienced a pretty steady progression over the past few seasons. I don't see why he would now take a step back. Markstrom's development still leaves me with high Hope's for Rittich as an emerging starter.

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[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Markstrom has experienced a pretty steady progression over the past few seasons. I don't see why he would now take a step back. Markstrom's development still leaves me with high Hope's for Rittich as an emerging starter.

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I see what you're saying, but I still see him as kinda "Meh". I think his progression is due to the fact that they are really starting to get good at playing Green's system-they are still pretty inconsistent, and still allow more goals than the coach would like, but year after year they are getting better as a team, and getting better personnel. To your point, I think BSD is much better than Markstrom at the same age.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by AC

Including over Tkachuk?

As the #6 pick was the rumoured cost to acquire either Fleury or Andersen.

Actually, I was just referring to the other Flames goalies specifically.

I definitely think the Flames would've been better off had the Juuso Välimäki pick been traded for Marc-André Fleury.

[SeanCharles]

This isn’t much of a surprise as I never felt any of Talbot, Gillies or Schneider were going to come back.

Talbot wants the starters job, Gillies has been lacklustre and will mutually part ways with the Flames in hopes of a better opportunity and Schneider is not a goalie of note and will be buried in the ECHL if he stays.

Flames:

Rittich
_____

Heat:

Zagidulin
Parsons

ECHL:

Guys on AHL deals

CHL:

Wolf

I wonder who they target? Do they go for another support guy and still have faith in Rittich developing into a starter or do they go hard after Markstrom or Lehner?

[bluejays]

Lehner during regular season would be a low risk gamble to make. Frankly, I think everyone knows he can be a good regular season goaltender at this point. What makes me a little weary is the anxiety he deals with and how that would translate in the playoffs. I think it's worth the risk where you have to take these chances, but it's still something that's out there that you have to know what you may be getting into in a professional athlete setting where there's an incredible amount of pressure on your shoulders, so the positive support system has to also be in place. Seems like the Flames are in a bit of a disarray at the moment and I'm not sure they'd have that for him right now.

[TheScorpion]

^ Lehner in the playoffs last year: 4-4-0, .936 SV%, 2.00 GAA

Held Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Rust, Hornqvist, and McCann to one goal total

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Actually, I was just referring to the other Flames goalies specifically.

I definitely think the Flames would've been better off had the Juuso Välimäki pick been traded for Marc-André Fleury.

Easy to say at this moment in time, but what if MAF (35) only has 2 or 3 years left in him and Valimaki (21) goes on to have a 15 year NHL career?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The problem with Markstrom and why he has not come to terms with Vancouver is he wants a long term deal. I don't like that idea, I want to see more than one good year from the guy. I am fine with the same tandem coming back but if Talbot leaves I would rather go after Halak. He is 34 so you could give him a 1 or 2 year deal and that gives Ritter another chance to show more consistency and to evaluate him more while adding a vet goalie that has put up excellent numbers throughout his career. In two years Parsons or maybe even Wolf will be ready to take the reigns hopefully if Ritter doesn't pan out.

His stats the last three seasons are better than Rittich despite playing in front of inferior Canucks teams that haven't played well defensively. He's clearly an upgrade on the Flames goaltenders.

[Harry Lime]

Zags had some trouble adapting to the NA game, but was trending upwards, should be the starter in AHL next season.

Parsons has had injury issues the last two years, so will likely be on a pitch count in the AHL as well.

Wolf has nothing to prove in junior and would be (I think) going back as an overager. If ECHL is an option, I think that he starts there.

Gilles started off slowly last year, but trended upwards and ended with a respectable .907 SA%. I actually want to see him in Calgary.

The Flames have a history of not developing goalies very well. Rittich is an outlier, and it could be argued that he was fully developed in Europe. Give Gillies a chance as a 30 game backup, and trust that there are in season options to pick up in case of injury.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Easy to say at this moment in time, but what if MAF (35) only has 2 or 3 years left in him and Valimaki (21) goes on to have a 15 year NHL career?

Yes, something akin to the Ramage/Hull scenario, do the Flames go on to win even more Cups had they kept the Golden Brett?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Yes, something akin to the Ramage/Hull scenario, do the Flames go on to win even more Cups had they kept the Golden Brett?

I'd take the Cup in the hand any day.

Cup are hard to come by, even if you are the best team in the league.

When there are about 30 teams vying for the Cup, there are no guarantees.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO they both make for a great backup goaltender or 1B at best. I'm hoping Treliving goes hard after Markstrom as I don't believe Talbot is going to take you deep into the playoffs and Rittich is so up and down mentally I'm not even sure he could get a team through a 7 game series.

Stay away you evil, evil man.

Markstrom's issue when he was first traded to Vancouver was consistent efforts. Then about three seasons ago, he had this bad habit of letting in the first shot or one of the first few (the exact same thing Demko is going through now, though at a younger age). Then, around December 2018, after a few months with Ian Clark, something just clicked. Since then, he has been the best and most consistent player on the Canucks. I think you are being optimistic about him actually getting to UFA. By all recent reports, they're not that far apart and Swede's are notorious for not jumping teams, especially Swedes in Vancouver. A better choice for the Flames would be finding a goalie coach like Ian Clark because not only does he get the most out of your current guys, he lays the groundwork for years (see Columbus).