I like Andrew Mangiapane

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Also, Mangiapane.

Acrimonious holdout situation to get a 1 year deal at minimum salary, vs trying to get him on a 2 or 3 year deal for several hundred thousand more...and then playing Mangiapane in productive situations.

The difference between signing Mangiapane last year to a 2 or 3 year deal at 1 million vs. a 1 year at 700k is going to end up costing ownership a million+ in cash and is going to cost the team probably 1.5-2 million in AAV, disrupting the ability to fill out the roster.

All to keep a disgruntled player around for 5 goals in 3-4 months of work.

That is...bad.

And what if we signed him to a 3 year deal at 1-1.5mil; Mangiapane regressed, had a bad year and was sent to the AHL? It's easy to throw stones in hindsight. Mangiapane had not shown that he was worth more than 1 year at league min.

[Zulu29]

Really glad I was completely wrong about him. I thought he’d be a tweener back and forth from the AHL.

[Dajazz]

I’ve criticised him a lot for always falling over and being unable to keep his balance. I think he’s really learned how to pivot and use his lower body to his benefit. Great motor combined with a good hockey sense and skills. Some said he’s a bit like Byron and I would agree. Tenacious and skilled.

Glad he proved me wrong.

I won’t eat any crow, but I’ll gladly Eat Bread.

[CSharp]

What an improvement over the last two seasons when he's up and down with the club. For some reason, he looked smaller in the past couple of years. Mange likely did a lot of weights coming into this season and he's a lot faster. Fact is, he's playing a man's game on both ends of the rink. Kind of reminds me of Fleury who's willing to give and take hits. I love Mange's speed and his compete level. Pretty much has become one of my favorite players now. 88's a great number.

[Phaneufenstein]

Mangiapane is already better than Paul freaking Byron.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

Mangiapane is already better than Paul freaking Byron.

Yeah, when Byron was Mangiapane's age he was still playing and producing like a fourth-line player, playing on the fourth line. It took him another three years before eventually establishing himself as a middle-sixer, and I think he tops-out there. Mangiapane still has a tonne of room to grow, and lots of time to do it. He has been the Flames's best right-winger for a month now, and not all because of his deployment with Bakclund and Tkachuk. He is making his own room, starting, and finishing his own plays.

This is why I think Mangiapane is more Marchand than Byron.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Mangiapane's growth has been tremendous. He's really established himself as a top 6 winger. Very feisty, competitive and gritty combined with good puck skills and shooting.

With Dube really coming on lately it seems like the Flames have got another couple really solid young forwards to add into the core.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

5'10", 184 lbs eh? I think those are pretty generous to the upside stats. He looks not much bigger to me than JG on the ice, though plays much bigger for sure.

I would say 5’8 1/12 170 lbs


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[Gaskal]

This year everyone he's played more than 200 minutes of 5v5 hockey with has seen a boost to their underlying numbers.

[dino7c]

I like him but you would think the guy had 80 points the way some people talk. Hope he continues to get better and think there is a pretty good chance he does.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I like him but you would think the guy had 80 points the way some people talk. Hope he continues to get better and think there is a pretty good chance he does.

I'm going to put the cart before the horse here a little bit, but:

I think Mangiapane has a better chance than not of hitting 25 goals this year or next.

Having a forward prospect work out to the point where he's likely to break the 20 goal barrier is a big deal on any club, but it's a super big deal on the Flames.

Goal scoring is the hardest thing to do in the NHL and the Flames might have a 25 goal scorer on their hands.

25 Goal Scorers drafted by the flames in the last 20 years:

Monahan
Gaudreau
Tkachuk

Even hitting 20 goals would put him in rare company for this organizaztion.

It's a big deal IMO.

[united]

Well deserved thread, absolutely.

I had Mangiapane ranked as a fourth-round pick in his initial draft year, and was surprised to see him passed over by all teams completely. Then, in his D+1 year, I had him pegged as a mid third-round pick but he dropped to the sixth round when the Flames finally - and thankfully - scooped him up. I am so curious what caused teams to collectively pick over 350 players ahead of him. I haven't heard anything regarding attitude/off-ice issues, work ethic (obviously not an issue), or anything. Some would point to size, but anyone who watched him - and obviously scouts did - would have seen he plays well "above" his size. A mystery.

The sneaky part about Mangiapane is that his rate metrics, too, show a player who still has first line potential. The Flames have a really good player on their hands here and there is a legitimate chance he can turn into a regular 50+ point player which would be amazing. Even if he doesn't reach those raw scoring levels, his two-way game is absolutely outstanding which gives the luxury of having a player who can move up and down the lineup without issue and play in all situations. Now if he rounds out his offence to pair with his already superb defence, the sky is the limit.

He is going to be a very good member of the Flames for many years to come.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1235233516784214016

I found this string very positive about Mangiapane. Says he could get $3-$4 a year. If that comes to fruition, what a fabulous success story for the kid.

[atb]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dube might just be the third best defensive forward on the team (behind Backlund and Lindholm and right there with Reider). When he finds the net (and I’m betting he will) he’s top six material easily.

He wasn’t just a world junior team member. He was on it twice and was team captain once. He was PPG every year except his rookie year in the dub, and way over in his last year. PPG in the AHL.

I can see Dube breaking out next year similar to how Mangiapane did this year.

Love the way Mangiapane has the ability to drive the play. Carrying the puck into the zone and creating turnovers. Also impressive is that 11 out of his 13 assist have been primary, and all of his goals have been at even strength. No idea what his ceiling is, but his emergence this year has definitely been one of the high points.

[djsFlames]

He may be tracking for 33-35 points but he's taken a rather large step in this second half, making very important plays that has played into the teams fate a lot of nights, and thats cause he's playing a big man's game now and doesn't quit in any situation.

His play last night where he had to corral the puck three times to get it away from the jackets players and over to Lindholm is a prime example of what he's doing right now.

That's the same step Dube needs to take. He plays big when its against prospect/skill players, but has to do it in the tighter, more physical Nhl game.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

He may be tracking for 33-35 points but he's taken a rather large step in this second half, making very important plays that has played into the teams fate a lot of nights, and thats cause he's playing a big man's game now and doesn't quit in any situation.

I'll take the over on 35 points. Mangiapane already has 30, and has been scoring at nearly a point/GP pace for over a month now.

[TheScorpion]

I've decided to be pedantic today...

Textcritic, "35-points" is grammatically incorrect. The proper notation is "35 points."