[GDT] Flames @ Predators. 6pm MT. SNW

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Except Brodie is more comfortable playing the right side...

Based on what?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I meant that

Forbort-Brodie

makes more sense than

Brodie-Stone

and

Gustaffsson-Stone or Kylington-Gustaffsson in a sheltered 3rd pair role

makes more sense than

Brodie-Stone in a tough minutes top pair role..

I agree those make more sense than your alternatives. I'm just having a hard time making a complete lineup that way.

Gio-Andersson
Forbort-Brodie
Kylington-Gustaffson
Where's Hanifin?

This makes some more sense
Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Andersson
Forbort-Gustafsson
But I'd sure like to get Kylington back in.

By all accounts from LA reporters Forbort is best suited as a 3rd pairing guy even though he used to play with Doughty. It seems like that was out of necessity.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Based on what?

He said so.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd pump the breaks if you're suggesting Giordano hasn't been very good this year.

His production is off, but league wide in other key stats ...

31st in CF% (1st)
48th in Shot splits (2)
25th in xGF% (1)
49th in SCF% (2nd)
56th in HDCF% (2nd)

And even production ... he's still generating

ixG/60 36th
iSCF/60 22nd
iShot/60 18th
iHDCF/60 59th

Really the only difference is the puck isn't going in this year. The guy is still an elite top pairing defenseman by almost any measure.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding those statistics, but don't they suggest that Giordano has been playing to the level of a ~average #2 defenceman rather than an elite #1/Norris Trophy calibre defenceman?

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Based on what?

.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...n-top-pairing/

“We just had that connection on the ice and I do prefer being on the right side, so being back there is nice,” said Brodie.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I agree those make more sense than your alternatives. I'm just having a hard time making a complete lineup that way.

Gio-Andersson
Forbort-Brodie
Kylington-Gustaffson
Where's Hanifin?

This makes some more sense
Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Andersson
Forbort-Gustafsson
But I'd sure like to get Kylington back in.

By all accounts from LA reporters Forbort is best suited as a 3rd pairing guy even though he used to play with Doughty. It seems like that was out of necessity.

I was operating on the assumption that if Stone is in, Gio is not.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding those statistics, but don't they suggest that Giordano has been playing to the level of a ~average #2 defenceman rather than an elite #1/Norris Trophy calibre defenceman?

That's why I said "if"

As in if you're suggesting Giordano hasn't been good this year, you should pump the breaks.

I would assume "anything but" is a little more down pushing than Norris to solid top pairing defenseman no?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

After the Ryan line had a rough ride in Boston, the small sample size of a Sam Bennett centered third line is now better, and not slightly worse than the Ryan version.

CF%
Ryan 48.3%
Bennett 51.5%

xGF%
Ryan 49.9%
Bennett 50.7%

SCF%
Ryan 46.0%
Bennett 56.8%

HDCF%
Ryan 46.0%
Bennett 56.8%

one major caveat though is zone starts as Bennett's line has had 72.7% and Ryan 47.5%

PDO
Ryan 1.046
Bennett 0.925

How much stock do we put into the Boston game being an outlier for Ryan, and by extension Lucic and Dube? It was his first game back after missing a week with the flu after all.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How much stock do we put into the Boston game being an outlier for Ryan, and by extension Lucic and Dube? It was his first game back after missing a week with the flu after all.

First game back on that line.

Third game back overall.

But honestly I'm not hammering on Ryan, I think he can do more on the fourth line that Bennett can. But if Bennett can maintain or better Ryan's impact on the third line the whole group of bottom sixers take a step forward.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How much stock do we put into the Boston game being an outlier for Ryan, and by extension Lucic and Dube? It was his first game back after missing a week with the flu after all.

That was Ryan's 3rd game back. He played at home vs Boston and in Detroit too.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd pump the breaks if you're suggesting Giordano hasn't been very good this year.

His production is off, but league wide in other key stats ...

31st in CF% (1st)
48th in Shot splits (2)
25th in xGF% (1)
49th in SCF% (2nd)
56th in HDCF% (2nd)

And even production ... he's still generating

ixG/60 36th
iSCF/60 22nd
iShot/60 18th
iHDCF/60 59th

Really the only difference is the puck isn't going in this year. The guy is still an elite top pairing defenseman by almost any measure.

The biggest difference to my eye is that Giordano has not been getting his shot through traffic and onto the net. He was money last year for threading the needle, and this year it has not worked for him so far.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's why I said "if"

As in if you're suggesting Giordano hasn't been good this year, you should pump the breaks.

I would assume "anything but" is a little more down pushing than Norris to solid top pairing defenseman no?

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm following what you are saying.

Anyway, I guess I hold Giordano to a very high standard (based on several seasons of elite #1 defenceman performances). This season, he seems to be falling well short of that (and those statistics you posted seem to substantiate that observation).

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding those statistics, but don't they suggest that Giordano has been playing to the level of a ~average #2 defenceman rather than an elite #1/Norris Trophy calibre defenceman?

A lot of the guys ahead of him on that list are playing sheltered roles, 2nd or 3rd pairing type stuff. They're also team stats, we've sabotaged some of those team stats with a few decisions like

- Backlund at RW. Basically taking your best shutdown center and putting him in a role he struggles to play.
- Hanifin-Hamonic. There's a trickle down effect in puck possession when they have a bad shift. The next pair over the boards is now rushing to the defensive zone on the line change
- Dube a regular in the lineup. I get why, he's young and should improve, but he's really struggled to generate shot attempts

[DJones]

Are we actually having a discussion about whether or not Gio helps this team?

And as Ryan/Bennett, why not both? Lucic has fallen off a cliff recently. Put him on the 4th line.

[tvp2003]

Flames seem to play well in Nashville. Huge two points on the line tonight.

Predicting a 3-2 Flames win. Tkachuk does the Svechnikov this time for the GWG.

Originally Posted by Toonage

Apparently the weather was crap last night in Nashville, so I'm guessing the team stayed in their hotel rooms, curled up with a quilt, some hot chocolate and a good book then got to bed early.

Wouldn't shock me to hear that Geoff Ward stopped by each room to say good night.

"Tell Ward I was in bed by eleven"

[Split98]

Big game tonight and exactly the kind of test we've seen the Flames fail at a few times this year. After a big win, how do they play the next game?

A lot was made last year about the Avs playing meaningful games leading up to Round 1 vs the Flames coasting for a while and losing that edge in play. Top-3 in the division is within reach for the Flames and every game is going to matter right to 82 this year - so exactly what we would hope for

Let's hope we see a great finish to the season, starting with a great game to build on beating Boston.

[Erick Estrada]

The Flames have played better defense since that Chicago blowout and sometimes it's natural for players to bear down a little more when they are shorthanded only to relax when help returns. The Oilers had been playing very well with McDavid out of the lineup and it seems like the moment he came back the rest of the team decided that they could coast a bit more since Conner would take care of business. Hopefully Gio back in the lineup doesn't bring back the sloppy defensive play that has plagued the team at times this season.

[UKflames]

Is BSD down as the starter or is it yet to be confirmed?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Why tinker with a winning line up. Let Gio rest more.

and please no Cazzie!!

Hopefully all the posters whining about her last game just STFU about it and not ruin another thread like the last one. I'm sure there's another exciting political debate you can tune into if she annoys you so much.

Flames need this one. 4 point game on the line.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Is BSD down as the starter or is it yet to be confirmed?

Confirmed to start, yes.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1233112260802904067

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/starting-goalies/