Practice Notes - December 30, 2019

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

But janko kills penalties and whether or not you think he's effective in that role, the coaching staff clearly does not look to Bennett to kill penalties.

The canucks are a powerplay team, if you're going to game plan against them, the guy who doesn't kill penalties comes out of the lineup.

The Hawks aren't a powerplay team, so why Bennett is out apparently I don't know, but he doesnt move the needle, so I don't care.

We're talking about 4th line guys here, basically inconsequential.

Ah, but we are not talking about a team who is doing well but whose “4th” line is inconsequential, we are talking about a team that just got their ass handed to them by Vancouver. And Lucic, Ryan and Dube, whatever line you want to call them, got owned.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Joborule

What Bennett has done years ago is irrelevant to what he's doing currently. Right now Bennett is not producing in a bottom six role, so there's no guarantee that he would in a top 6 role either. There's been times he's been on the PP this season, and nothing amounted from it.

If Bennett wants to stick around in Calgary, and get a top 6 role where he can set himself up for a great contract next off season, it's within his control to start producing offensively. Each time he's on the ice, he has the opportunity make something happen. It's up to him to ultimately capitalize on it, and force the coaches hand to give him more playing time. I'm pretty sure the coach would be happy with any player that can get this team to score more goals during even strength since it's god awful.

Yeah, yeah. But back to the Mangiapane example. It’s not like Mangiapane forced the coaches’ hands. From Nov 25- Dec 17 he had one assist in 10 games. He was a black hole.

Bennett has never gotten the consistent time with top linemates for a multi game stretch, never mind 10 games of futility.

Tell me again what Mangiapane delivered over that 10 game stretch.

In this light, I would love to hear from the coaches directly, themselves, about why specifically they just don’t give the guy the chance for minutes with good linemates.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well, I won’t make any claim on coach’s intentions, but as you chortle, answer this:

How much ice time did Bennett have against McDavid? (Himt: it has been posted here)
How successful was McDavid when Bennett was on the ice against him?
(Hint: when McDavid got his only point, on the ice were 11 13 23 24 55 33)

Nobody said Carbo-style. But there is no shame in those numbers.

Ward didn’t select the matchup. But it sure didn’t hurt them

Games against the oilers are not yard sticks for anything, especially when they are blowouts. Reider had more icetime than Gaudreau, are we going to extrapolate on that?

You're going to talk about small sample sizes and cherry picked stats for 30 games of production and then tell me 6 minutes in one game blowout against the oilers means anything?

Come ON, man.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Games against the oilers are not yard sticks for anything, especially when they are blowouts. Reider had more icetime than Gaudreau, are we going to extrapolate on that?

You're going to talk about small sample sizes and cherry picked stats for 30 games of production and then tell me 6 minutes in one game blowout against the oilers means anything?

Come ON, man.

More block caps, please. They really look good.

Games against the Oilers are no yardstick...
Who else does McDavid play for? You do know he leads the league in scoring, right?

And it was the last game he played immediately before being scratched which sort of makes it relevant.

Obviously I am not building an entire case on one game, as I mentioned other factors, to which you have already responded.

And I cherry picked? Yeah. Says the guy who selects the single post out of multiple, the one regarding the Edmonton game.

You are better than that. I am pretty sure

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Honestly Bennett would be dumb not to request a trade at this point.

To OTT: Bennett + 3rd

To CGY: Pageau

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Shadowing McDavid lol.

More like with the Oilers having last change they kept lining McDavid up against the 4th line when they could.

Vs. the Oilers, Bennett didn't have a shot, point, or takeaway. One hit. Went 0/8 in the faceoff dot. Played 13:36.

Why people are shocked that Bennett is scratched is the real head scratcher.

Since he returned, he has played 5 games, 0 points is a -1 and has 3 shots.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe the Flames are just (allegedly) laughing at further trade offers for Bennett? They've decided to keep Bennett out of games so that he can get in on the jokes too?

I have to say, if the jokes are as funny as the idea Bennett was shadowing McDavid Guy Carbo-style, I'd be laughing too.

You guys took that out of my post about shadowing? I didn't think I would need green text when shadowing was used to imply he was close enough to catch the McFlu.

Plus he spent over 6 minutes shadowing McDavid, so chances are he has all the flu and viruses.

[Manhattanboy]

Hey Flash is back!

[Strange Brew]

This is silly. Bennett was better three years ago than Mangiapane was at the start of the season. Ummm ok?

From the games I’ve watched Bennett has been pretty bad this year. Injured, bad coach, can’t play his style, poor linemates... At some point does it really matter? He will draw back in and have a chance to prove himself but no way does it seem his play this year deserves more than what he is getting.

I don’t see many people saying Gaudreau should be treated as if he was playing the way he did at the start of last year.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ first paragraph. No. Generally guys have productivity expectations, and generally results are based on slotting.

Bennett has never, for whatever reason, gotten top 3 linemates, and rarely top 6 after year 2

The question is why?

Again, Big Dog just went on a streak of 1 A in 10 games. He’s not been scratched.

My observation is that Bennett hasn’t ever had good line mates for a long period of time. Scratching him for never getting a chance isn’t good for his career. He should maybe look elsewhere. He has millions riding on it

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ and SB, last paragraph, I just don’t understand it

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lol healthy scratch.

Some 4th overall pick.

I know it's not entirely his fault but godamn its tough to get past the fact that if he had turned into a legit elite #1C this team is actually a contender right now instead of a middling wannabe.

It could be a lot worse, look no further than 4th OA, Jesse Puljujarvi

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ and SB, last paragraph, I just don’t understand it

Let’s talk about this year. I don’t believe Bennett’s 5 points in 25 games is due to where the coaches haves slotted him in the lineup. Nor do I get the incredulity that he might be scratched on occasion.

Sometimes guys don’t play as well as they did in previous years. See Johnny Gaudreau as an example.

[TOfan]

Really don't buy the Bennett is a victim (line mates, coaches, deployment) of circumstance arguments. Why is it that Bennett supporters always hinge their arguments on statements such as Bennett needs top 6 mins? Wouldn't it have been better to be able to say Bennett makes his line mates better? Unfortunately, it has pretty much been proven Bennett can't drive a line at this level. He's a support piece who lacks the finishing skills to be in the top 6.

I also find it absurd that some like to suggest the Flames basically held Bennett's head below the water. They had just as much interest in wanting Bennett to fulfill his potential as Bennett himself did.

I was optimistic last season that it looked like Bennett may have come to terms, or found a role, as an aggressive/agitating 3rd line winger. This year, to my eye, he seems to have regressed to what we saw the two years prior. Which is he basically looks lost. I always liked the idea of what Bennett could be, but it's just never going to happen.

It is becoming clear this team is fine without him in the lineup, unfortunately. The Flames look to have better options in Dube & Mangiapne for mid rotation wingers. He probably would welcome a move at this point. I would have to think he would have been part of the Hall package. If he is moved in the next 6-8 weeks, certainly won't be a surprise to me.

[Stanley]

I don't see Bennett on this roster come next fall

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Really don't buy the Bennett is a victim (line mates, coaches, deployment) of circumstance arguments. Why is it that Bennett supporters always hinge their arguments on statements such as Bennett needs top 6 mins? Wouldn't it have been better to be able to say Bennett makes his line mates better? Unfortunately, it has pretty much been proven Bennett can't drive a line at this level. He's a support piece who lacks the finishing skills to be in the top 6.

I also find it absurd that some like to suggest the Flames basically held Bennett's head below the water. They had just as much interest in wanting Bennett to fulfill his potential as Bennett himself did.

I was optimistic last season that it looked like Bennett may have come to terms, or found a role, as an aggressive/agitating 3rd line winger. This year, to my eye, he seems to have regressed to what we saw the two years prior. Which is he basically looks lost. I always liked the idea of what Bennett could be, but it's just never going to happen.

It is becoming clear this team is fine without him in the lineup, unfortunately. The Flames look to have better options in Dube & Mangiapne for mid rotation wingers. He probably would welcome a move at this point. I would have to think he would have been part of the Hall package. If he is moved in the next 6-8 weeks, certainly won't be a surprise to me.

Yup, I have given up on any real expectations of Bennett. He doesn't have the skill or speed to be a contributing top 6 nhl player, and though he can throw a big hit here and there, he isn't really a good grinding bottom 6 player either in my opinion.

I look forward to the flames cutting their losses with him either this deadline or in the summer. I am done waiting for some strike of lightening where he suddenly figures it out.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, yeah. But back to the Mangiapane example. It’s not like Mangiapane forced the coaches’ hands. From Nov 25- Dec 17 he had one assist in 10 games. He was a black hole.

Bennett has never gotten the consistent time with top linemates for a multi game stretch, never mind 10 games of futility.

Tell me again what Mangiapane delivered over that 10 game stretch.

During that 10 game stretch he didn't do much, during the previous 10 however he had five points. Towards the end of those ten games he was playing well too. Was creating, robbed a couple times, hit a couple posts.. in the Game Threads a few posters thought Mangipane was going to break out of the slump soon due to his positive play, they were right.

Bennett's had chances, he's just not a smart hockey player. He can't keep up with Tkachuk and Lindholm.

[Beninho]

Bennett hasn’t improved on anything since his first year in the league. Literally makes the same exact mistakes and produces less. He’s a super dud of a pick that was chosen with the highest pick in franchise history. Hopefully the team moves on soon, there’s not much there in terms of skill or hockey IQ.

He’s not that fast, he doesn’t have a good shot, he can’t pass. He can throw a hit and get a garbage goal from time to time. Just a terrible pick that could have propelled the team to true contender status.

Good thing we got Tkachuk and traded for Lindholm but #### Bennett has just been brutal after his decent rookie season. Just brutal

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[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Hey Flash is back!

Don’t call it a flashback...

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

To OTT: Bennett + 3rd

To CGY: Pageau

its getting to that point isn't it?

i'd also consider Duclair from Ottawa.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Don’t call it a flashback...

A flash in the pan?