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Old 12-09-2019, 06:03 PM   #41
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- offsides - was the toe up or down, seeing if the player is on side
To me, offsides don’t need to be down to the fraction of the second. Use the plane, or basically determine that if it takes more than a second of viewing video to review, the call on the ice stands. This is not players trying to cheat and get ahead of the line. They are trying to be onside. And they don’t practically affect the play by the hundredth of a second where their skate blade is 1 cm above the line

So, don ‘t call offside if it’s a hundred of a second or 1 cm.

But is 2 hundredths of a second or 2 cm enough?

If you are going to be a rule that lets close ones go, there will always have to be a line drawn that will become the new arbitrary line that people will complain about being “ just over the line”.




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Old 12-09-2019, 06:05 PM   #42
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What they are using as an incentive isn't much of an incentive. When you are in an industry where the average employee (at that level) is a millionaire, you need something better than free spay and neutering for your pets, at the local humane society.
That's a fantastic analogy. Thank you for posting that incredibly thoughtful insight.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:06 PM   #43
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ITT: lots of people who have never officiated any level of hockey who have the strongest opinion about how easy it should be to just call a game right.

Also ITT: people who are surprised that game management exists. It's taught in all levels of reffing and it's necessary. I've reffed with people who put their stamp on a game, and it drives me mad. That's overmanagement, you should not have influence over the outcome. But every ref manages a game, the good ones do it in a manner that is appropriate and acceptable.

Nearly every call is a judgement call, and at speed or in your periphery that's not always the easiest to make. Every call you make has half the ice pissed at you, no matter what. You have to determine who initiated what, the mechanics behind it, etc. Of course there's automatics, high sticks, too many men, but the vast majority are judgements. You get in #### for calling too much, you get in #### for not calling enough, you don't see off sides right, why did that icing get washed out, etc etc etc. Then the abuse from minor hockey parents, coaches, hell even the things 10year olds will say to you on the ice, then you have to explain to someone why you dimed him. It's crazy the abuse culture towards refs that's present right now.

Its absurd the suggestions up above about taking refs off the ice, stopping the play with a buzzer, etc. Why make hockey sterile? Plays and playing should be organic, there should be some variables, it really does make hockey exciting and unpredictable. This isn't a computer simulation.

Either way, I challenge any of the critics to come and ref a game and let me evaluate how many things you miss
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Open question to the thread: Has officiating gotten better or worse since adding the second referee?
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:20 PM   #45
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Open question to the thread: Has officiating gotten better or worse since adding the second referee?
Good question.

I think it is more consistent, which is good. But I also think that the league has moved in the wrong direction, with too much focus on the ticky-tacky stuff. That isn't the fault of the refs though, so I guess I believe that adding the 2nd ref has been an improvement (even though I despise the reffing now)
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:44 PM   #46
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Don't know if this was posted, It is NBA refs, but I think it is a pretty good comparison.

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Old 12-09-2019, 07:55 PM   #47
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So, don ‘t call offside if it’s a hundred of a second or 1 cm.

But is 2 hundredths of a second or 2 cm enough?

If you are going to be a rule that lets close ones go, there will always have to be a line drawn that will become the new arbitrary line that people will complain about being “ just over the line”.




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Nope. Not splitting hairs defining an acceptable distance or time for the play

Put a very short time limit on the refs to review. Maybe even in real time, not slo-mo.

It comes back to intent. The intent of the offside is to make sure a team doesn’t cheat positionally to get a material advantage. Not to break out a magnifying glass to see if a team trying to obey the rule was oh so close but just barely unsuccessful, by an infinitesimal margin, detectable only in super slo mo after 5 minutes of repeat viewings. (and gaining no material positional advantage once all of the hairs have been split)

If it’s not immediately obvious enough to overturn quickly, the call on the ice stands

Correct egregious errors, accept up front that human observers have limits, but still are responsible for the call.

Keep the game going

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