The shades between what constitutes closing your hand on the puck and what doesn't makes me think that is a bad idea. I like rules with simplicity, it is or it isn't. No need to make that more complicated then necessary.
Hear hear! Any time you add a. Rule that has exceptions, your opening the game up to more opposing interpretation, which results in more reviews and more prolonged stoppages. Make the game less cumbersome, not more cumbersome.
I'm good with hand pass anywhere, anytime, including into the net (IMO safe than swinging sticks). I would strongly consider outlawing the use of hands on the puck when it is on the ice (or perhaps below the knee). Aesthetically, I hate it when defensemen use their gloves to play shortstop to hold the blueline on a bouncing puck, and I think covering the puck with your glove on the ice is equivalent to closing your hand on it.
I'm okay with high sticking as it is, though I don't think it's actually preventing players from getting their sticks up high (they might rarely restrain themselves from playing the puck, but their stick is still up there). I'd prefer if the judgment call wasn't on height of the stick, but rather the 'x axis', or whether the player is 'swinging' at the puck above the crossbar. Essentially, you can 'deflect' a puck with your stick at any height (at most a flick of the wrists...stick blade is only really moving on the 'y axis'), but you can't hit or swing at a high puck (IMO, use your hands instead).
The rule change I'd most like to see is very clear cut and simple: you can only use your stick to play the puck, or another player's stick blade (incl. bottom ~ 12" of shaft). EVERYTHING else is verboten.
Exhibit A is the Gaudreau/McDavid sequence from a few years ago. Right now, you can hit Johnny in the gloves sort of hard...if the Flames are up by 2. You can get away with a light hook to his waist on a breakaway...if your team had the last 3 penalties. You can crosscheck a guy in front of your net lightly 4 times...moderately 3 times...or hard twice. If he's bigger than you, add 1 to each. If he's smaller, subtract. Double it when trailing at home. Round up to the square root of the time remaining if in the third period...except in the playoffs when the refs must invoke fibonacci's sequence.
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You want guys kicking at the puck while your goalie is trying to trap it?
Can we get a poll so I can use the results to put anyone that wants kicked goals allowed on my ignore list.
All of this discussion on kicking is silly, he was very clear that they will not be discussing a change to this rule.
As for the highsticking, I don't think guys are going to be playing baseball trying to score, but potentially some border line goals will stand. Players still have to play by the rules and presumably a swing that takes a guys teeth out will still be considered a 5.
I could go either way on the hand pass, but I would probably be rattled if my beer league allowed it.
They should consider fixing the stupid offside challenge before they do anything. Worst rule ever.
Absolutely. If the linesman can’t tell in real time then it’s good enough. They’ll still prevent the egregious offsides like the Duchene one without wasting everyone’s time debating over technicalities. Also I think if the offside doesn’t lead to a direct scoring play (ie the team cycles the puck for 30 seconds before scoring) then it shouldn’t be reviewable.
I find myself watching offsides too often now, and the excitement of scoring a goal is always overshadowed by the fear that it might have been offside.
Kids have the skill to dangle the puck in the air but go back to a few eye injuries in the past and it’s a no
just get a proper referee system and we’ll be fine
Fix the refs double standard before something drastic like this
Hand pass in the offensive zone I’d be fine with like others as long as no hand is closed on the puck
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lol at the histrionics in this thread. No, neither of these rules will make the sport lacrosse.
That said, I don't see allowing high sticks to happen, simply due to the safety issue. But allowing hand passes seems like it will just speed the game up a little. And that's not a bad thing.
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I don't exactly what the rule is in the WHL, I'll look it up later. Directing the puck in with a skate like they can now in the NHL is fine with me, I just don't want to see soccer-style kicking around the crease. Might not see players injured all the time, but all you need is for it to happen one time for there to be a really terrible injury.
The WHL rule is that you can deflect the puck with your skate in any manner, as long as you are outside the crease.
Also, nobody is going to attempt "soccer style" kicks of the puck. It's basically the most inefficient way to try and score. The point of the rule from the WHL's perspective is that it removes some ambiguity on how deflections are called, especially when a player is already dragging his foot when the puck goes in off him.
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The Tkachuk play was an impressive skill play that should be allowed in the game. It's really silly that Johnny would have been obviously 'guilty' in the exact same situation, even though his stick is shorter and 'safer', yet someone like Chara would have been obviously 'innocent'.
On the other hand, earlier in the first period, there as a 'jump ball' above the Flames goal mouth - Hamonic swung his stick somewhat wildly (amongst several players) to try to knock the puck away - a far more dangerous situation, but absolutely the 'right' hockey play in the situation (batting with his hand might have been better, albeit less likely to clear the puck from danger).
They should forget about how high the puck is when contacted, and worry about how it is contacted. Of course this retains ambiguity in what constitutes a 'swing' vs. a 'knock', but IMO it is a much easier case of 'you know it when you see it'. Directing the puck to yourself, a nearby teammate, or the goal (from very close) = knock; directing the puck further away = swing. Primarily wrists = knock; more elbows/shoulders = swing.
I'd go as far as penalizing any 'swing' at the puck, regardless of contact, above crossbar level - pretty sure that would pretty much eliminate the practice entirely. Batters up for pucks below the crossbar. I'm sure we'd end up with a high profile incident or two where a 'swung at' goal turns into a 2 minute penalty, but such is the risk you take swinging at any puck ~48 inches high (for that result to be conclusive overturn it would probably have to be several inches higher or lower relative to the on-ice call...nobody is going to get really screwed here).
Personally, I'd allow hand passes/knocks everywhere in all circumstances, but I don't think the status quo is as silly as high sticking right now.
1. ACTUALLY DETECT WHAT A HIGH-STICK IS
The NHL is pretty rich, so cameras around the rink dedicated to getting calls right needs to start happening. Cameras at post-level dedicated to determining if the puck touched a high-stick, good cameras giving a great view on off-sides, etc etc. There should be 20-100 cameras on the game for properly reffing this $$$$$$$$$$ business
It shouldn't be a goal though - it's far too dangerous
2. Let hands/feet play. Imagine the goals you'll see if players can swat and kick the puck around. Goalies are in for nightmares, for sure - but I can't wait to see what players come up with if we loosen the rules on feet/hand contact
Hand passes in front of the net will be a mess and may result in fewer goals with everyone having one hand on their stick. But sure, give it a try. I'd allow kicks if the skate is in contact with the ice at all times. High stick? I dunno. I'm not sure safety is a huge issue, though if you have a guy trying to make a hand pass and another just going for a stick knockdown I could see it going badly.
How about no more rule changes for a while. Maybe a 5 year freeze on changing the rules should be the new rule. Every season they change or tweak some rule. Unless it is safety related, just leave it alone.
I think the most simple solution is the best, allow the puck to be played with high sticks, but enforce the high sticking penalty the same as always.
If you take a wild swing at the puck and hit another player in the process, you get a penalty the same as always. If you draw blood, either a double minor or a major if it was reckless.
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How about no more rule changes for a while. Maybe a 5 year freeze on changing the rules should be the new rule. Every season they change or tweak some rule. Unless it is safety related, just leave it alone.
Sounds good to me. I can't believe the NHL is even considering allowing high sticks and hand passes. The NHL is willing to hurt the integrity of the game for a tiny fraction of a goal more per game.
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Sounds good to me. I can't believe the NHL is even considering allowing high sticks and hand passes. The NHL is willing to hurt the integrity of the game for a tiny fraction of a goal more per game.
I agree. This is what the game is, if you want high scores watch basketball. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
These rules won't change how the games played, there are already attempted hand passes and every player attempts to deflect high pucks no matter what... so really this is to cut down on whistles and reviews. I'm down for cutting those back.
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A big hell no to letting players kick the puck in. The last thing you need is a mad scramble in the crease with a player or two down on the ice and others trying to kick the puck in the net. It would be Clint Malarchuk all over again, no thanks.
That simply wouldn't happen. No one is going to resort to kicking pucks in when the alternative is to use your stick and shoot the puck. All this is going to do is get rid of those annoying "was there a kicking motion" reviews.
Great idea.
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That simply wouldn't happen. No one is going to resort to kicking pucks in when the alternative is to use your stick and shoot the puck. All this is going to do is get rid of those annoying "was there a kicking motion" reviews.
Great idea.
It definitely would happen. It is easier to kick a puck in when it's at your feet. I think there is definitely potential for injuries as a result of the rule change.
It definitely would happen. It is easier to kick a puck in when it's at your feet. I think there is definitely potential for injuries as a result of the rule change.
Few and far between that the circumstance will arise where it's actually easier to take a huge swing at a puck with a skate in a dangerous fashion versus shooting. If the puck is infact in your feet, a "kick" is much more likely to be the equivalent of a tap. Nothing to see here.
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That simply wouldn't happen. No one is going to resort to kicking pucks in when the alternative is to use your stick and shoot the puck. All this is going to do is get rid of those annoying "was there a kicking motion" reviews.
Great idea.
You've seen goals disallowed for being kicked in. Of course it would happen. If a guy has his stick tied up or in an awkward position, or the quicker option for a loose puck/rebound is to kick it, he's going to kick it.
I can't believe people think this is a good idea. The central theme of the game is to use a hockey stick to play the puck. It should be strictly enforced to keep that spirit of the game in tact. To me opening up these rules would be like allowing hand balls in soccer.
Not sure why the NHL feels the need to fundamentally change the game at all times.
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