03-31-2019, 01:27 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Bishop will almost certainly be a Vezina nominee. He had the best SV% in the league, does he not?
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03-31-2019, 01:30 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
This is hilarious. Seriously, Bishop has been good but come on man. He won't even be a Vezina nominee.
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Wat?
Wat? Wat? Wat? WAT? WAT? WAT?
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03-31-2019, 01:31 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Wat?
Wat? Wat? Wat? WAT? WAT? WAT?
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Want to bet on it? You think Bishop is Hart trophy material? So you are saying you agree with him that Bishop is in a higher tier than Gaudreau, McDavid, and MacKinnon? Sorry, have to disagree.
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03-31-2019, 01:32 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Bishop will almost certainly be a Vezina nominee. He had the best SV% in the league, does he not?
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.933 in 45 gp. Vasilevski rocks 51 gp and a .925. Lehner is a 44 gp with a .929
Bishop also has the best GAA of all the 40+ gp goalies.
He should be the very tippy top of the Vezina noms.
I looked it up yesterday actually. Just to see where our guys were and was shocked at the season Bishop is having under the radar.
And Jordan Binnington with 29 starts should get a Calder nom. His numbers are flabbergasting.
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03-31-2019, 01:32 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
This is hilarious. Seriously, Bishop has been good but come on man. He won't even be a Vezina nominee.
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Yeah he will. You should probably back that up somehow.
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03-31-2019, 01:36 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: F*** me. We're so f***ing good, you check the f***ing standings? Lets f***ing go! F***ing practice!
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Yeah, its Mark Giordano no question.
The guy simply does everything for this team and might have the highest compete level in the entire league.
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03-31-2019, 01:38 PM
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#47
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Well actually it has been about a month but that really has nothing to do with it. That is like me saying that the first 4 months the first line carried the team to where they are. My point was if Gio goes down while it hurts there are still guys like Kylington and Valimaki who are very capable young puck moving D men who can fill in. If Gaudreau goes down you have Tkachuk on the left side and that is it. Gaudreau also made Elias Lindholm into a 70+ point player because he is that dynamic. This team would absolutely be boned if Gaudreau went down for a significant amount of time.
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Feb and March are one month? Ok.
So in my world, Johnny has been struggling for 2 months. You mention depth on D, and it is precisely the depth on F, with the Backlund line, the Ryan line etc. allowing the Flames to actually not be boned, to use the parlance of your post
Kylington and Valimaki can help spread some minutes around but they aren’t filling in for Gio successfully against the level of competition he faces
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03-31-2019, 01:39 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Yeah he will. You should probably back that up somehow.
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Ok, who is he getting nominated over? Vasilevski? Nope. Price who almost single handedly has pulled Montreal into playoff contention? Nope. Tukka Rask? Nope. Freddy Andersen? Nope. Bishop has been good down the stretch but he has only been in 45 appearances, that is not enough to gather a Vezina nomination. Again, I will take the bet he is not a Vezina nominee any day. Forgot about Lehner too.
Last edited by dissentowner; 03-31-2019 at 01:40 PM.
Reason: edit: forgot Lehner
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03-31-2019, 01:41 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Feb and March are one month? Ok.
So in my world, Johnny has been struggling for 2 months. You mention depth on D, and it is precisely the depth on F, with the Backlund line, the Ryan line etc. allowing the Flames to actually not be boned, to use the parlance of your post
Kylington and Valimaki can help spread some minutes around but they aren’t filling in for Gio successfully against the level of competition he faces
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Sure, you can make the argument and that is fine. People saying it is not close though is pure hyperbole.
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03-31-2019, 01:47 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Gotta go with Gio pretty easily here
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03-31-2019, 01:49 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Ok, who is he getting nominated over? Vasilevski? Nope. Price who almost single handedly has pulled Montreal into playoff contention? Nope. Tukka Rask? Nope. Freddy Andersen? Nope. Bishop has been good down the stretch but he has only been in 45 appearances, that is not enough to gather a Vezina nomination. Again, I will take the bet he is not a Vezina nominee any day. Forgot about Lehner too.
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Rask shouldnt even be on the radar. And Price is having a very normal season.
And Freddy Anderson? C'mon man, this isnt January. Hes fallen off the same cliff as the rest of his team.
And even then, Ben Bishop is slaying in the goals against department too.
I'm no math wiz but if Bishop was on a level playing field in the GP department as say some if the .917 60 games played goalies, he'd be leading still.
If I were to pick the 3 vezina goalies, It'd be Vasilevski, Bishop and probably Fleury. Fleury being interchangable with a few others like maybe Price.
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03-31-2019, 01:54 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Ok, who is he getting nominated over? Vasilevski? Nope. Price who almost single handedly has pulled Montreal into playoff contention? Nope. Tukka Rask? Nope. Freddy Andersen? Nope. Bishop has been good down the stretch but he has only been in 45 appearances, that is not enough to gather a Vezina nomination. Again, I will take the bet he is not a Vezina nominee any day. Forgot about Lehner too.
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Vasilevskiy has 51 starts. That's pretty damn low too, but you have him as a clear nominee. Lehner has 44.
I would nominate Bishop over Price, Rask, and Andersen. Apart from wins, he's as good or better in overall numbers than those three.
Second in the league in GAA, first in save %, and tied for third in shutouts. He's done as much as Price has in helping his team fight for a playoff spot, he's been more consistent than Andersen (who seems to have fallen off a cliff lately), and he dwarfs Rask in personal stats.
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03-31-2019, 01:58 PM
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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MAF, Vasilevskiy, Andersen/Price.
I just think that’s how the voting will go. Lots of good goaltending stories this season.
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03-31-2019, 02:02 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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Flames MVP - Johnny or Gio?
Not even gonna read what’s been posted but it’s Gio. There really isn’t a debate and I love Johnny
Gio has put this team on his back this year, best Dman in the league. Yup I said it
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Last edited by Beninho; 03-31-2019 at 02:05 PM.
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03-31-2019, 02:12 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Not only is this a Hart + Norris level performance, this is borderline historic.
Gio has been as good as any dman in the last 25 years this year.
Of course a dman will not get the Hart, but he should.
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03-31-2019, 03:21 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
This is hilarious. Seriously, Bishop has been good but come on man. He won't even be a Vezina nominee.
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Bishop has the team 29th in goal scoring at 26-15-2 with him. Only the Ducks and Kings score fewer goals than they do. His backup, who's been statistically excellent this year with a .925 SV%, is only 15-16-5 on the win column.
I actually do agree that his lack of games played hurts his "award" chances, but in terms of actual value, it's crazy. Think of how many 2-1, 1-0, or 3-2 types of games he must have barely scraped by with to have his team in the playoff hunt. Stats aside he's also the best puck handling goalie in the NHL... he's what the Flames want to believe Mike Smith is.
Kucherov and Giordano are the primary reasons their teams are at the top of their conference.
Bishop and Crosby are the primary reasons their teams aren't way out of the playoff race and in the Jack Hughes sweepstakes. Yes, even Crosby... the Penguins when he's not on the ice have not played anything like a playoff team.
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03-31-2019, 11:30 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I have to pick Gio. He is playing unbelievably well in all aspects and is a great captain. I think in a lot of years, he would get league MVP recognition, but there is A lot of competition for that this year.
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03-31-2019, 11:43 PM
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#58
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Gio, IMO, and not even close.
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03-31-2019, 11:50 PM
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#59
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All I can get
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Both Johnny and Mark were long-shots. Both compelling stories. Giordano easily.
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04-01-2019, 12:00 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: nexus of the universe
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All this with his final (or at least final big) contract in his pocket.
The man is playing for pride, the team, the city and the fans.
In times when it feels older players fall off a cliff after signing their big long term deal.
Gio is inspirational. And a treat to root for. And following Iggy? We are so lucky.
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