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transplant99 · 03-10-2019, 10:24 AM

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Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
.@CortexBusiness Transaction Alert: The #Flames have recalled Alan Quine from the @AHLHeat.

Flames will have 2 regular recalls left.

If Quine plays another NHL game or spends 10 more days on the NHL roster he will require waivers to be sent down again.

Thats tells me he is here to stay for the season.

browna · 03-10-2019, 10:25 AM

Harnessing the power and memories of 89, through the chosen one to be the first to wear that number, to pull the team out of this funk.

Bingo · 03-10-2019, 10:55 AM

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I think Frolik had a couple really bad games and could have used a sit down again. Especially since he responded well to being scratched or demoted all year.

And that's fair.

I think he struggles with the puck for sure. Peters seems to like him on the 2nd line when the team is up in games though, so I doubt he'd want to lose that option.

It's tough right now.

Hathaway is the worst five on five player on the team, but he has a role on the PK and is one of what 3 players with jam up front?

Czarnik seems to have finally grabbed a role on the third line and is producing.

Mangiapane is helping drive that fourth line with Derek Ryan.

The heck with fitting Lazar in, not sure where Neal goes when he comes back/ I mean he'll go back in, but who comes out? Would have to think Frolik or Czarnik

Classic_Sniper · 03-10-2019, 11:01 AM

Thank goodness. Was disappointed when Quine was sent down the 1st time because he brings to the table elements that this team doesn’t have. The heaviness and cycle game should be very beneficial in the types of games that are being played right now.

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DeluxeMoustache · 03-10-2019, 11:17 AM

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A lot of anger from a fan base of a team in the league's top five.

Every team has a dip in a long season, the Flames have been money since November.

They were money before the all star break.

They are 8-7-2 since. Two 4 game losing streaks bookending a 7 game win streak. Glad they had NYI’s number somehow.

I liked Quine last time around. Should be interesting to see how often he draws in, now that Czarnik and Mangiapane are contributing.

Bingo · 03-10-2019, 11:20 AM

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They were money before the all star break.

They are 8-7-2 since. Two 4 game losing streaks bookending a 7 game win streak. Glad they had NYI’s number somehow.

I liked Quine last time around. Should be interesting to see how often he draws in, now that Czarnik and Mangiapane are contributing.

None of that changes what I'm saying.

They're 2nd in the conference, they have the 5th best points percentage in the league, and they've had their top line dry up, no doubt.

But the team itself, minus really two players, is actually playing their best hockey of the season.

I thought they were winning some games before the break that were iffy in terms of content. I didn't love the Arizona game, but with some finish and their top two forwards showing up they pin both Minnesota and Toronto, and deserve better in Vegas.

FlamesAddiction · 03-10-2019, 11:56 AM

This tells me it wasn't an issue of not wanting another player to possibly insert in the line-up. but rather that Lazar didn't pass the test.

neo45 · 03-10-2019, 12:18 PM

Quine is simply a better option if you are hoping for some semblance of offense from that line.

He’s shown more in the AHL than Lazar and had success in his previous call up. All else equal (we don’t actually know how good these guys’ attitudes are or how well they are doing in practice) this seems totally fair to me.

Bingo · 03-10-2019, 12:34 PM

Still don't think Quine plays ... they called up a vet to watch, not a young player that you have to work in.

Quine is not a play driver, he has the third worst possession stats on the team this year for players that have played any amount of time (Lomberg and Rychel worst).

I don't think he gets in the way the fourth line is playing these days.

Kipper_3434 · 03-10-2019, 01:23 PM

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None of that changes what I'm saying.

They're 2nd in the conference, they have the 5th best points percentage in the league, and they've had their top line dry up, no doubt.

But the team itself, minus really two players, is actually playing their best hockey of the season.

I thought they were winning some games before the break that were iffy in terms of content. I didn't love the Arizona game, but with some finish and their top two forwards showing up they pin both Minnesota and Toronto, and deserve better in Vegas.

Good teams don't lean on past accolades. That's a very no good thing to do.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-10-2019, 01:29 PM

It’s about a quarter season of hockey now that is bubble caliber. Some people are concerned.

And they were just a couple of forwards away from winning a 6-2 loss? Come on

Doc Hudson · 03-10-2019, 01:41 PM

Not sure Peters really likes Frolik there, I think instead that he keeps going back to the 3M line because the other options haven't played better. I suspect he has hoped for Bennett to grab the spot, but he hasn't.

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And that's fair.

I think he struggles with the puck for sure. Peters seems to like him on the 2nd line when the team is up in games though, so I doubt he'd want to lose that option.

It's tough right now.

Hathaway is the worst five on five player on the team, but he has a role on the PK and is one of what 3 players with jam up front?

Czarnik seems to have finally grabbed a role on the third line and is producing.

Mangiapane is helping drive that fourth line with Derek Ryan.

The heck with fitting Lazar in, not sure where Neal goes when he comes back/ I mean he'll go back in, but who comes out? Would have to think Frolik or Czarnik

Jiri Hrdina · 03-10-2019, 01:52 PM

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It’s about a quarter season of hockey now that is bubble caliber. Some people are concerned.

And they were just a couple of forwards away from winning a 6-2 loss? Come on

I think its 3 players not carrying their weight (Tkachuk, Monny, Johnny) but when those are 3 of your top forwards it can make a material impact.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-10-2019, 01:55 PM

Sure but concocting an expected win from a 6-2 loss is fantasy

From a pure offense perspective, a quick look at the numbers say that 3 guys aren’t expected to score 5 goals. Even 3 Kucherovs.

Isolating and projecting defensive impact is no simpler.

Bingo · 03-10-2019, 01:56 PM

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It’s about a quarter season of hockey now that is bubble caliber. Some people are concerned.

And they were just a couple of forwards away from winning a 6-2 loss? Come on

I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

The Leafs scored three lucky goals and Fredrik Andersson was the first star.

Bingo · 03-10-2019, 01:57 PM

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Good teams don't lean on past accolades. That's a very no good thing to do.

Past accolades? It's this season?!?

DeluxeMoustache · 03-10-2019, 02:06 PM

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I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

The Leafs scored three lucky goals and Fredrik Andersson was the first star.

Now you want to look at how goals are scored? Lol

Bingo · 03-10-2019, 02:36 PM

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Now you want to look at how goals are scored? Lol

You must amuse easy if you're laughing out loud.

The Flames have metrics that suggest they've played some decent hockey in the last four games, but come up empty. I think they were the better team against Minnesota, Toronto and Vegas. Arizona was a toss up, but they weren't out played.

That's not looking at how goals are scored.

You brought up the 6-2 loss as a mock in my thinking they played well. That's asking for someone to explain themselves. I did.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-10-2019, 03:05 PM

Categorizing goals as lucky is, in fact, considering how they are scored.

You don’t see the parallel at all between the conversation about goaltending results and team results, and your quite obvious contradictory standard?

I guess you got me, I chuckle and shake my head, sometimes roll my eyes, and didn’t actually laugh out loud.

It’s okay, as much as there is an abvious double standard, I know there is a commonality as well.

That’s all.

Bingo · 03-10-2019, 03:27 PM

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Categorizing goals as lucky is, in fact, considering how they are scored.

You don’t see the parallel at all between the conversation about goaltending results and team results, and your quite obvious contradictory standard?

I guess you got me, I chuckle and shake my head, sometimes roll my eyes, and didn’t actually laugh out loud.

It’s okay, as much as there is an abvious double standard, I know there is a commonality as well.

That’s all.

Not a double standard, and trying to sound omnipotent with a close like "that's all" doesn't make it any more so.

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And they were just a couple of forwards away from winning a 6-2 loss? Come on

Which called the score into question in a game where I said Calgary was the better team. If you mock someone with "come on" they're going to explain themselves. I did.

That is "more"