[News] Athletic: Andersson = Good.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Matata

What's crazy about Andersson is at the draft, he had the stats of a 7-15th OA pick, his development has consistently that of a 7-15th OA pick and yet at the draft, nobody thought he was close to that high of a pick.


I remember on draft day I was hoping OK would drop to the flames, then they draft RA who I'd never heard of, but his numbers were so good I wasn't about to complain, then they get OK anyways. Two mid first caliber picks at the end of the 2nd round, so crazy.

Yeah that draft is crazy in retrospect.

15th Overall, 45th Overall, 52nd Overall > Hamilton > Hanifin & Lindholm

53rd Overall> Rasmus Andersson

60th Overall> Oliver Kylington

166th Overall> Andrew Mangiapane

A quarter of our roster is attributed to the moves that Treliving made with our picks at that draft.

[tvp2003]

I know it's an Andersson thread but I found this nugget in the original Kylington draft thread:

Originally Posted by sureLoss

At one point he was considered to be the 2nd best defenceman after Hanifin

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Love

Remember when Oiler fans swore Ethan Bear & Caleb Jones = Oliver Kylington & Rasmus Andersson

Lol

The thing they keep forgetting or ignoring is that a big part of it is the development. Not just the raw player that gets drafted. Edmonton is terrible at development and even if two players arrive with roughly the same skillset Edmonton will polish them into a turd.

[Benched]

Do you think Fox regrets not staying with CGY? (assuming his lack of will to sign in CGY is why he was traded)

After seeing the young guys get a lot of play time and chances, it looks like CGY is graduating the kids, giving them roles, and letting them play. It also looks like CGY is willing to move out parts to make room, which was rumored to be the issue Fox had - lack of spots available, wouldn't get a chance.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The best thing about Rasmus is he isn't just a really good player on a remarkable curve, but he is a really good player on a remarkable curve and has some real snarl and grease to his game. Had no idea that it was part of his game as much as it is. And you can see him getting more and more confident as he realizes everything he has done to get to the NHL.......... is getting better at the NHL.

Really impressive stuff.

I agree with this assessment, both the snarl (and swagger) and the talent.

Some guys have a style or an ability that actually shows better in the big leagues than the minors, because the talent around them is better. So a guy could make a decision to pinch, for example, and in the big leagues,the D partner will recognize it and play to cover it, and in the minors, it might just blow the play right up. And I see this kind of thing with Andersson every time he plays - aggression and skill, and at this level a lot of the stuff he does works, and he's getting better at all of it. Not to say his game is perfect or anything close, but I sure think his ceiling is high.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Benched

Do you think Fox regrets not staying with CGY? (assuming his lack of will to sign in CGY is why he was traded)

After seeing the young guys get a lot of play time and chances, it looks like CGY is graduating the kids, giving them roles, and letting them play. It also looks like CGY is willing to move out parts to make room, which was rumored to be the issue Fox had - lack of spots available, wouldn't get a chance.

Damn straight he regrets.

And I do not regret Tre moving him.

[GGG]

The expansion draft is going to suck,

Gio unprotected still means we lose a good young defensemen.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GGG

The expansion draft is going to suck,

Gio unprotected still means we lose a good young defensemen.

Plenty of time to make trades before then. I seriously doubt we lose one of them for nothing.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The UFA market for defensemen looks really thin, so TJ Brodie might be able to garner a decent package especially with his impressive looking counting stats this season.

Especially if he has a good playoffs. With success our players values will rise, look at how easily Chicago was able to sell off parts after a successful playoff run.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Benched

Do you think Fox regrets not staying with CGY? (assuming his lack of will to sign in CGY is why he was traded)

After seeing the young guys get a lot of play time and chances, it looks like CGY is graduating the kids, giving them roles, and letting them play. It also looks like CGY is willing to move out parts to make room, which was rumored to be the issue Fox had - lack of spots available, wouldn't get a chance.

I doubt he has much regret. It seems pretty realistic that had he signed in the summer he would have spent his entire season to this point in the AHL. He was probably third- or fourth-best of the Flames top four defense prospects. His best chance of making the NHL are still with another organization. His best chance of making an impact sooner are definitely with another organization, and not in the same mix with Hanifin, Andersson, Kylington, and Valimaki.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't think it was Fox's wish to be moved per se. It's quite possible that he wants to test the market regardless of where he is. Who knows, he might still circle back to the Flames if he decides to go that route.

The Flames have never been shy to sign college UFAs.

[GranteedEV]

IMO part of why Fox didn't want to sign was because of Hamilton and Andersson. Bizarre he got traded WITH Hamilton though.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

IMO part of why Fox didn't want to sign was because of Hamilton and Andersson. Bizarre he got traded WITH Hamilton though.

Do we have the exact quotes from Tre about this again? Was it that Fox wasn't ever going to sign and was going to free agency or that Fox didn't want to sign last Summer because he wanted another year in College?

I think there's a big distinction there. However, what ever it was, the risk was still the same to the Flames and Tre made the right call.

I bet if Fox had signed last Summer, Kylington would have been the one traded in the Hanifin deal as that would have set up perfect pairings moving forward:

Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Fox

[Enoch Root]

Treliving hinted that Fox didn't want to sign with the Flames and would remain at Harvard

[dammage79]

Treliving said Foxs family rep said there were going to be issues in regards to getting fox signed. Fox denied it personally but in a world of he said she said, I lean towards Trelivings side. I'm assuming things were going to be tough as Fox may have wanted a guaranteed roster spot with the big club in order for him to sign. Razor and Kylington and Valimaki all earned their places via hard work and marinating in the system. Fast tracking fox would've been a kick in the nads to those 3 I think. Tree did well moving fox.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think it was Fox's wish to be moved per se. It's quite possible that he wants to test the market regardless of where he is. Who knows, he might still circle back to the Flames if he decides to go that route.

The Flames have never been shy to sign college UFAs.

Yeah exactly - if Fox has any regrets, he is welcome to come back and sign with Calgary as a UFA. Calgary is still pretty set at right D with Brodie/Hamonic/Andersson, so unless one of them is moved over the summer it seems unlikely that Fox would sign here. It would be pretty intriguing if one of Brodie/Hamonic were moved over the summer and Fox ended up signing with Calgary - it would make the Hamilton trade look absolutely ridiculous.

[Ashasx]

That 2nd round was a very positive day on Calgarypuck

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...147814&page=10

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I really like Andersson. Becoming one of my favorite players.

But when you talk about keeping all of the young defensemen, you have to look at the LHD/RHD mix. Kylington, Valimaki, Hanifin and Giordano all shoot left. There are only three slots available.

Are you going to ask one of the young guys to switch sides?

Gio-Hanifin
Valimaki-Hamonic
Kylington-Andersson

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Kylington

I know Hanifin played on the right side, at certain points, in Carolina before and I've heard Kylington has done it in the past as well. Even Valimaki likely has considering Stockton only has 1 RH dman this season.

For whatever reason I think its harder for a RHed dman to play on his offside more so than it is for LHed guys (I have nothing to back this up I just feel like its true - could be that there are more LHed guys in the league).

[GioforPM]

Gio is so good, not only can he switch to the right side, he can probably switch shooting hands.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I doubt he has much regret. It seems pretty realistic that had he signed in the summer he would have spent his entire season to this point in the AHL. He was probably third- or fourth-best of the Flames top four defense prospects. His best chance of making the NHL are still with another organization. His best chance of making an impact sooner are definitely with another organization, and not in the same mix with Hanifin, Andersson, Kylington, and Valimaki.

Yes, but the irony of the situation is that he then moved to an organization that is so set on RHD that they've been shopping them all season long. Maybe Carolina at least picks up the compensatory pick when he inevitably goes to free agency.