Where does Gaudreau rank among all time Flames forwards?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's right up there with Fleury for most talented all time IMO. The Magic Man was maybe one of the single greatest offensive hockey talents in the world but he was almost as lazy as he was good and didn't have the compete level.

I think you mean that talent wise Nilsson had the most talent, but his compete level places him behind the others as far as hockey players go.

Fleury played as a 5’4” winger at a time when players at that height generally didn’t make the league. There was a reason why he was able to do so. His level of talent was likely above the other Flame players.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Jarome Iginla is one of the most complete players in NHL history.

The only players in Iginla's league that played like him were Lindros, Neely, Ovechkin and Esposito.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Jarome Iginla is one of the most complete players in NHL history.

The only players in Iginla's league that played like him were Lindros, Neely, Ovechkin and Esposito.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Jarome Iginla is one of the most complete players in NHL history.

The only players in Iginla's league that played like him were Lindros, Neely, Ovechkin and Esposito.


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[N-E-B]

I’m too young to have seems Fleury in his prime. What I remember of Fleury is his last few seasons here.

Gaudreau is certainly the second best player I’ve ever seen play for this team after Iginla. Not that he has much competition the last 25 years, but this guy is truly a special player.

[Monahammer]

If gaudreau is the top player on a team that wins the cup in this era he will have a case to top iginla imo.
I have it as
Iggy
Theo
Johnny
Right now

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m too young to have seems Fleury in his prime. What I remember of Fleury is his last few seasons here.

Gaudreau is certainly the second best player I’ve ever seen play for this team after Iginla. Not that he has much competition the last 25 years, but this guy is truly a special player.

Ditto. From my limited perspective, Iginla is the only comparable.

I'd also say that Giordano and Monahan are probably the next best players that I've seen. Tkachuk will likely be up there as well.

[Classic_Sniper]

I think Gaudreau has a chance to be #1 depending on what he does in the playoffs. If he scores 100 points or becomes a Hart candidate at any point in his career, then he should theoretically be on the same level as Iggy. If Gaudreau can lead this team to multiple playoff series victories, then I'd say that could help maybe push him over as Iggy only took this team past the 1st round only once in his entire tenure with the Flames. Obviously, Johnny has a long way to go to catch Iggy's career here, but I'm mostly speaking in terms of peaks.

Fleury also had an unbelievable stretch here as well. An perennial all star and a couple top 10 scoring finishes. But he was never nominated for the Hart, never won any major awards and didn't help carry the Flames to any playoff series victories when he was "The Guy" here. with the way Gaudreau is going now, I'd say it's very likely he eclipses Fleury's peak.

Nilsson was quite possibly just as skilled or maybe more skilled as Gaudreau (at the time/era), but I'm not his tenure here was long enough to justify him being above Gaudreau when it's all said and done. I'd say Gaudreau is also on the cusp of passing him depending on how his season finishes, how the voting goes and how the Flames do in the playoffs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

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Howe had 2 Gordie Howe hat tricks.

Howe got his first Gordie Howe hat trick on October 11, 1953 when he scored a goal, assisted on Red Kelly's goal and fought the Toronto Maple Leafs' Fernie Flaman. Howe's second happened on March 21, 1954, once again versus the Maple Leafs. Howe scored the opening goal, assisted on two Ted Lindsay goals, and fought Ted "Teeder" Kennedy.[3]

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[Geeoff]

I'd say 3rd is fair, assuming his career continues to play out the way it has.

[ComixZone]

His play right now is beginning to inch him closer to Iggy in his prime, but we’ll see what happens come playoff time.

Iginla in 2004 was a different level of performance. With how Johnny is playing...I think he can reach that level.

[GioforPM]

I've always thought Theo had the skills to be at the top of the league. Too bad he couldn't manage it. Nilsson was really skilled and also didn't fully tap into his abilities (though his laziness is really exaggerated and his Magic Man nickname was given long before any mocking use of it started). Iginla had less ability but way more determination and work ethic, so his production had staying power.

Gaudreau is a real hybrid of Nilsson and Theo, with some Chouinard (underrated!) thrown in. Hopefully he has Iggy's long term determination.

[IGGYFORMVP]

I love Johnny and I loved Theo (before he lost his mind), but no one can hold a candle to prime Iginla.

His performance in the spring of 2004 was the greatest hockey I have seen. In 2004 he should have had the Conn Smythe and the Stanley Cup.

That season he was a beast, and absolutely crushed it while playing on a team with no where near the talent of his competitors.

I specifically remember the flames scoring 5 or 6 in a game against the Habs in 2004 and being absolutely blown away because it had felt like years since we had scored that many. The depth of the team around Johnny is at a level that Iginla and the rest of us could not even have dreamed of in 2004.


Hockey is a team sport but the spring of 2004 will go down as the greatest post season I have watched a individual player have on the Flames.

[kukkudo]

Ya only way Johnny will be #1 is if he can have some monster playoff performances. Like IggyforMVP said that 04 run was something, Iginla was a whole different animal.

[CroFlames]

To be honest, Johnny ranks no where near any of the greats. He only has 352 career points and has won a grand total of nothing.



When its all said and done, it will be interesting to see where this goes especially if he signs a 2nd contract with the Flames (well technically 3rd if you include the ELC).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

To be honest, Johnny ranks no where near any of the greats. He only has 352 career points and has won a grand total of nothing.



When its all said and done, it will be interesting to see where this goes especially if he signs a 2nd contract with the Flames (well technically 3rd if you include the ELC).

"Only" 352 points - Iginla didn't get there as fast as Gaudreau, and Theo, Nilsson and Newy did it in fewer but in a higher scoring era (also Lysiak and Suter).

TBF, all of the names mentioned in this convo have not won a whole lot considering their talents. Theo has a cup ring as a fourth liner. Iggy has no team hardware, and 3 of the main NHL awards. Nilsson has a Stanley Cup but it doesn't count, for obvious reasons.

Theo and Iggy have Olympic gold FWIW. But that's not really on Johnny - he hasn't had a shot yet (and may never).

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

To be honest, Johnny ranks no where near any of the greats. He only has 352 career points and has won a grand total of nothing.



When its all said and done, it will be interesting to see where this goes especially if he signs a 2nd contract with the Flames (well technically 3rd if you include the ELC).

Have you watched him play? He is near the top!

[CroFlames]

I have no doubt Johnny will become one of the greats if he plays here long enough, especially if he wins a Cup or signs another contract.



One thing I'm ready to declare is that he's the best 103rd pick ever.



But calling him one of the greats already is premature IMO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by camm13

What % is he in on the teams overall offense, saw this stat a month ago on the cbc broadcast and he was definitely leading it. And higher than Mcdavid. Does anyone know where I can search up this stat?

Gaudreau has not led in this category all season. The Flames have too many good players.

As of today he holds a 40.8% share of the Flames total goal production. McDavid contributes an astonishing 52.5% to the Oilers scoring. That is because Edmonton is no good.


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[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Gaudreau has not led in this category all season. The Flames have too many good players.

As of today he holds a 40.8% share of the Flames total goal production. McDavid contributes an astonishing 52.5% to the Oilers scoring. That is because Edmonton is no good.


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At the beginning of the season he was at 50%. 41% is still pretty damn high!