[GDT] Calgary Flames - Nashville Predators (Oct 9, 2018)

[Strange Brew]

I re-watched some of the third period against the Canucks from Saturday.

Flames carried the play and made some beautiful plays to score the tying and go ahead goal.

But there were some sequences where Canucks had amazing scoring chances. In fact, I would rate the Canucks scoring chances in the 3rd to be of higher quality than those of the Flames, which is not reflected in the number of shots or any advanced stats.

That has to be cleaned up or they will be givng up a lot of goals still, even if they dominate play.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wasn't so hung up on the salary - more that he was the big UFA signing, so putting him on the third line would be an admission of error somehow. The Kessel analogy is good though.

I sure want to see how Jankowski reacts to being a healthy scratch. It only happened twice last year IIRC.

Although I quoted you, I wasn't referring specifically to you, there have been many similar posts, and this is why I also added Ryan to my comment. These were UFA signings, and of course we overpaid for them, because the only organizational asset they cost us was cap space.

Anyway, IMO, the only error on the coach's part is in not placing each player where they and the team have the best chance to succeed. It's not the coach's job to fix the GM's mistakes.

[Mass_nerder]

Did I miss something Jankowski related? I didn't think he played poorly in either of the previous games. Beyond that, I've found Ryan to be downright disappointing, so to see Ryan centering the 4th line instead of Jankowski is confusing.

[Duffalufagus]

Really hoping Smitty plays well tonight. He is the key to our season.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Did I miss something Jankowski related? I didn't think he played poorly in either of the previous games. Beyond that, I've found Ryan to be downright disappointing, so to see Ryan centering the 4th line instead of Jankowski is confusing.

I would have preferred Janko, as well, but I think the team is trying to keep its right hand shots in the lineup, and Ryan has been decent on draws.

I think the team is hoping that Janko will see the game differently after watching it from the press box, and that this will improve his overall game. Worked wonders for Gaudreau in his first season.

[Duffalufagus]

Also, not at all surprised that Janko is sitting. As I've stated in other threads, I just don't think he is that good. I am really hoping he makes the jump this year. The fact that there is significant competition for minutes should help. He was basically written into the 3C spot in ink last year and was not at all productive in that role.

Competing to play on the 4th line seems right to me. He went months in a row last year doing squadoosh. He needs to earn it.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Also, not at all surprised that Janko is sitting. As I've stated in other threads, I just don't think he is that good. I am really hoping he makes the jump this year. The fact that there is significant competition for minutes should help. He was basically written into the 3C spot in ink last year and was not at all productive in that role.

Competing to play on the 4th line seems right to me. He went months in a row last year doing squadoosh. He needs to earn it.

Thanked due to use of 'squadoosh'.

[MisterJoji]

My good boy on the right died last night, he would really like a win as a proper send off.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Hot take: If we lose, it doesn’t necessarily mean the team is utter garbage doomed to lose every game. If we win, it doesn’t guarantee us the Stanley Cup.

I'm sorry, but this is the internet. Those are the only two options.

[fire_starter]

Sorry for your loss MisterJoji

[David Struch]

I'd like to see Mark Giordano paired with Rasmus Andersson again, and Noah Hanifin or Juuso Valimaki with TJ Brodie.

[1qqaaz]

I think the Flames lose a close one tonight (4-5). I think Dube finally gets his first point(s).
Games with Nashville are typically close. I think the Flames will rely on their top 2 lines too much tonight.

I'm hoping Smith can put up a good game. I wouldn't have been opposed to a Rittich start, to be honest.

[FanIn80]

For the anti-Peluso crowd: it really shouldn’t be this difficult to understand that the guy doesn’t actually need to do anything to be effective. Just the knowledge that he’s there is usually enough to prevent anything stupid from happening. You’ll still get the Matt Cookes of the world trying things, but even some of them will still pull up a little bit knowing Peluso’s around.

Literally, Peluso only has to accomplish two things in order to have a positive impact on the game:

1. Be in the lineup.
2. Not directly cost us the game.

The second one is a bit tricky, but even if he’s on the ice for a bad goal against, it’s not going to directly cost us the game unless that goal is in OT or the final minute of regulation in a tie game.

Having said everything above, and when you consider that the only coach on the planet who would put Peluso out there in 3v3 OT is Marc Crawford, I’d conclude we’re pretty safe to have Peluso in the line up from time to time.

[ricardodw]

Flames were 2-1-0 against Nashville last year the road team winning in all 3 games.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

For the anti-Peluso crowd: it really shouldn’t be this difficult to understand that the guy doesn’t actually need to do anything to be effective. Just the knowledge that he’s there is usually enough to prevent anything stupid from happening. You’ll still get the Matt Cookes of the world trying things, but even some of them will still pull up a little bit knowing Peluso’s around.

Literally, Peluso only has to accomplish two things in order to have a positive impact on the game:

1. Be in the lineup.
2. Not directly cost us the game.

The second one is a bit tricky, but even if he’s on the ice for a bad goal against, it’s not going to directly cost us the game unless that goal is in OT or the final minute of regulation in a tie game.

Having said everything above, and when you consider that the only coach on the planet who would put Peluso out there in 3v3 OT is Marc Crawford, I’d conclude we’re pretty safe to have Peluso in the line up from time to time.

Except players with zero skills can suck the offensive capabilities out of the entire line.
Remember when Chiasson played with Johnny and Monahan? The entire line suffered. because the puck always died on Chiasson's stick.

Plus, the league is very full of parity. Even the smallest differences can result in wins or losses.
Imagine a 4th line with 3 Tom Kostopulous's. He got 22 points (amazingly consistent) every year. That's 66 points coming from a 4th line.
Imagine a 4th line with 3 Peluso's. They each get 3 points a year. That's 9 points total.

In a league with parity, the team with 3 Kostopulous's can and will win a lot more games. The difference between a 92% goaltending and a 91% goaltender is huge. Same goes for the difference between a Peluso and a Jankowski.

[FanIn80]

Peluso playing with Frolik and Ryan is not even in the same universe as Chaisson playing with Johnny and Monny.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Except players with zero skills can suck the offensive capabilities out of the entire line.
Remember when Chiasson played with Johnny and Monahan? The entire line suffered. because the puck always died on Chiasson's stick.

Plus, the league is very full of parity. Even the smallest differences can result in wins or losses.
Imagine a 4th line with 3 Tom Kostopulous's. He got 22 points (amazingly consistent) every year. That's 66 points coming from a 4th line.
Imagine a 4th line with 3 Peluso's. They each get 3 points a year. That's 9 points total.

In a league with parity, the team with 3 Kostopulous's can and will win a lot more games. The difference between a 92% goaltending and a 91% goaltender is huge. Same goes for the difference between a Peluso and a Jankowski.

Completely different situation. First line compared to the fourth.

Having a face puncher on the checking line has value in creating space for the smaller skilled players. It's the nuclear threat theory. I think it was a Netflix special that interviewed Big Ern about how Cammy told him that he could feel the difference in space on the ice when Ern was sitting on the bench.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wasn't so hung up on the salary - more that he was the big UFA signing, so putting him on the third line would be an admission of error somehow. The Kessel analogy is good though.

I sure want to see how Jankowski reacts to being a healthy scratch. It only happened twice last year IIRC.

Plus the Flames are a little different in that their second line is the shut down line, that's usually the third.

That plays into this as well, because I'm guessing Peters is reluctant to use Neal in a shut down role, even if it's possible they carry the play anyway.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I re-watched some of the third period against the Canucks from Saturday.

Flames carried the play and made some beautiful plays to score the tying and go ahead goal.

But there were some sequences where Canucks had amazing scoring chances. In fact, I would rate the Canucks scoring chances in the 3rd to be of higher quality than those of the Flames, which is not reflected in the number of shots or any advanced stats.

That has to be cleaned up or they will be givng up a lot of goals still, even if they dominate play.

Actually the advanced stats said exactly the same, matching your eye test.

Third period five on five scoring chances 5-3 Vancouver, high danger chances 3-2 Vancouver.

In all situations the Flames were ahead, but five on five the Canucks had the better of the chances.

[The Boy Wonder]

Happy with Peluso coming in. It will keep Rinaldo in check.

Not surprised to see Janko out, he wasn't really doing much (albeit very limited minutes) but both of his game 1 linemates have now been given additional opportunity up the line-up, and I think the eye test for me confirmed just that, he needs a kick in the pants and has been a passenger.

Not surprised to see Ryan only down to fourth line but will be interesting to see if Peters plays favorites with him if his struggles continue, as he has looked the worst of all flames forwards so far (aside from the faceoff circle, which is his specialty)

Excited about the Rookie D pair, but I don't expect them to see much ice time if its a close game.

As always though, the game will come down to goaltending.

Lets see how the flames do against their first "NHL calibre roster" after opening with two against the nucks, who are nothing special