Aleksander Barkov got a 46 675€ speeding ticket in Finland

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

… on account of having a tiny population and huge state-owned oil reserves. Is that supposed to be a model that other countries can just choose to follow?

Yeah, if only we had a tiny population and huge oil reserves, with boom conditions for most of the last 40 years.

Bad leadership is why we don't have a heritage fund worth a damn.

[Itse]

BTW, the same "day ticket" system (thus named because it's theoretically calculated from your daily income) is used in a lot of things in Finland, Sweden and Norway.

The idea is that you lose a portion of your daily salary, minus some deductions (so you get a smaller ticket if you have a lot of kids to support for example), multiplied by the severity of your offense. So for example speeding can get you somewhere between 10 and 35 "day tickets", slander about 12 day tickets, theft somewhere between 10 and 30 day tickets, violating fishing laws can get you a few day tickets etc. These are on top of other possible punishments and reparations. This last part is relevant because the amount of reparations you have to pay someone does Not (theoretically) depend on how much you make.

These are least technically case by case considerations, so if you do lot of things at once (say, DUI, speeding, driving without a seat belt, running a red light and resisting an officer of the law) they're not automatically just piled on top of each other.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Itse

BTW, the same "day ticket" system (thus named because it's theoretically calculated from your daily income) is used in a lot of things in Finland, Sweden and Norway.

The idea is that you lose a portion of your daily salary, minus some deductions (so you get a smaller ticket if you have a lot of kids to support for example), multiplied by the severity of your offense. So for example speeding can get you somewhere between 10 and 35 "day tickets", slander about 12 day tickets, theft somewhere between 10 and 30 day tickets, violating fishing laws can get you a few day tickets etc. These are on top of other possible punishments and reparations. This last part is relevant because the amount of reparations you have to does NOT depend on how much you make.

These are least technically case by case considerations, so if you do lot of things at once (say, DUI, speeding, driving without a seat belt, running a red light and resisting an officer of the law) they're not automatically just piled on top of each other.

Someone should make a youtube channel dedicated to unique, interesting ways scandinavian governments and society do stuff.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yeah, if only we had a tiny population and huge oil reserves, with boom conditions for most of the last 40 years.

Well, we have one out of the three. The population of Canada is a hell of a lot more than 5 million, and over the past 40 years the Canadian oil industry has had a fairly regular alternation of boom and bust. We've been through three major cycles in my lifetime, and spent just about equal amounts of time at both ends. The first cycle was the hardest – that being the one where government capped the price of domestic oil at half the market price, and then took two-thirds of that capped price at the wellhead. Gee, I wonder why that didn't leave us better off?

Bad leadership is why we don't have a heritage fund worth a damn.

Be sure to tell Mr. Trudeau that.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Haplo

If you think socialist is progressive then sure.

Not all socialists are progressive, but it might well be that all progressives are socialist.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by Itse

BTW, the same "day ticket" system (thus named because it's theoretically calculated from your daily income) is used in a lot of things in Finland, Sweden and Norway.

The idea is that you lose a portion of your daily salary, minus some deductions (so you get a smaller ticket if you have a lot of kids to support for example), multiplied by the severity of your offense. So for example speeding can get you somewhere between 10 and 35 "day tickets", slander about 12 day tickets, theft somewhere between 10 and 30 day tickets, violating fishing laws can get you a few day tickets etc. These are on top of other possible punishments and reparations. This last part is relevant because the amount of reparations you have to pay someone does Not (theoretically) depend on how much you make.

These are least technically case by case considerations, so if you do lot of things at once (say, DUI, speeding, driving without a seat belt, running a red light and resisting an officer of the law) they're not automatically just piled on top of each other.

Thanks for clearing that up, at first I didn't quite understand what '25 units' was referring to. Interesting system they have, I actually kind of like it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Well, we have one out of the three. The population of Canada is a hell of a lot more than 5 million, and over the past 40 years the Canadian oil industry has had a fairly regular alternation of boom and bust. We've been through three major cycles in my lifetime, and spent just about equal amounts of time at both ends. The first cycle was the hardest – that being the one where government capped the price of domestic oil at half the market price, and then took two-thirds of that capped price at the wellhead. Gee, I wonder why that didn't leave us better off?



Be sure to tell Mr. Trudeau that.

Right. Ralph Klein mailing everyone a $400 cheque is a Trudeau's fault.

Ottawa is certainly not innocent, but our heritage fund doesn't exist because we as a citizenry didn't fight for it to be a priority.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Right. Ralph Klein mailing everyone a $400 cheque is a Trudeau's fault.

Ottawa is certainly not innocent, but our heritage fund doesn't exist because we as a citizenry didn't fight for it to be a priority.

I think the point he is trying to make is you can’t compare a province to a country.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The socialist country of Norway is sitting on $1 trillion in cash and owns 1.5% of all publicly traded companies on Earth. Their best selling car is the Tesla Model S, which can be had at the price of a VW GTI. They also have one of if not the lowest rates of recidivism in the world.

Sounds awful.

While I do generally like models in several European countries and the facts you stated are accurate (except your auto stats), I do feel it is disingenuine to not highlight what many would consider to be big negatives, such as their astronomical tax rates on personal and corporate tax, or their 25% VAT (similar to GST) on all goods and services (except food stuff which has a VAT of 15%). And then there is the overall cost of living, calcualated to be 56.96% higher than Canada.

The price of gasoline is currently around $9 per gallon, $12.60 for a pint of beer, milk is $10 a gallon. A dozen eggs is around $6, a pound of chicken breast is $8.10. Even a single meal at McDonald's is around $16.00.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...country=Norway

There is a lot of good to the systems in those countries, but it's not all rainbows and roses as many try and perpetuate.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Groot

While I do generally like models in several European countries and the facts you stated are accurate (except your auto stats), I do feel it is disingenuine to not highlight what many would consider to be big negatives, such as their astronomical tax rates on personal and corporate tax, or their 25% VAT (similar to GST) on all goods and services (except food stuff which has a VAT of 15%). And then there is the overall cost of living, calcualated to be 56.96% higher than Canada.

The price of gasoline is currently around $9 per gallon, $12.60 for a pint of beer, milk is $10 a gallon. A dozen eggs is around $6, a pound of chicken breast is $8.10. Even a single meal at McDonald's is around $16.00.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...country=Norway

There is a lot of good to the systems in those countries, but it's not all rainbows and roses as many try and perpetuate.

All I'm saying is, Alberta could have a lot more to show for the last 60 years than no sales tax. It doesn't have to be ownership of 1% of publicly traded companies and a trillion in cash, but a middle ground exists.

We as a people have to demand it be found.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Groot

While I do generally like models in several European countries and the facts you stated are accurate (except your auto stats), I do feel it is disingenuine to not highlight what many would consider to be big negatives, such as their astronomical tax rates on personal and corporate tax, or their 25% VAT (similar to GST) on all goods and services (except food stuff which has a VAT of 15%). And then there is the overall cost of living, calcualated to be 56.96% higher than Canada.

The price of gasoline is currently around $9 per gallon, $12.60 for a pint of beer, milk is $10 a gallon. A dozen eggs is around $6, a pound of chicken breast is $8.10. Even a single meal at McDonald's is around $16.00.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...country=Norway

There is a lot of good to the systems in those countries, but it's not all rainbows and roses as many try and perpetuate.

Norway has an income taxes around 20-35% I think?Corporate tax rate seems to be 24%. Hardly "astronomical".

And yeah, Norway is a really expensive country to live in, but they can also afford it. And some of the cost of living is just that it's a really mountainous country so they have to import a lot of food, and they get heavy Atlantic storms and cold winters so building houses and infrastructure is expensive.

[Dajazz]

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